The New GT3 -- I want
03-08-2017, 12:47 AM
#46
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Fair points. I get the cool factor of the GT3. I just think besides track use(or wanting a large rear wing) the Turbo and Carrera's models are better all around. I guess I'm also partially irritated as I have friends that bought GT3's for the simple reason that it's a 'GT3', then never drive them.
I didn't want to rain on anyones parade on the 991 forum. I think the 991 Carreras are fantastic cars, just softer and less agile than I like, as I prefer a 997 carrera to a 991 from a standpoint of driving dynamics. A Carrera or turbo is a better all around than a GT3 in many ways if you don't track the car, or do a lot of backroads driving just for fun.
I would prefer if the GT3 wing was less prominent and looked like a turbo wing, but that's just how it comes. Other than that I love everything about the GT3, and it works for me as my modern do everything 911 model.
03-08-2017, 08:25 AM
#50
It's easy to get wrapped up in the "hunt" for a GT3 and the thrill of acquisition. It's the latest and greatest and everyone wants one. It looks great and has what appears to be a legendary engine. What's not to like?
The problem is that if you don't take the GT cars to a track, you will never discover what they are really all about. The lack of a rear seat also fundamentally changes the use case for these cars. The ability to carry four in a pinch is a critical characteristic of the 911 and separates it from most other sports cars. In most real world situations, the Carrera is a more exploitable and usable car.
That said, there is no denying that the Carreras are more grand touring oriented than they ever were, but I'd hesitate in saying that Carrera buyers are not "real drivers".
Sometimes real drivers need a car that they can actually use in their real life.
The problem is that if you don't take the GT cars to a track, you will never discover what they are really all about. The lack of a rear seat also fundamentally changes the use case for these cars. The ability to carry four in a pinch is a critical characteristic of the 911 and separates it from most other sports cars. In most real world situations, the Carrera is a more exploitable and usable car.
That said, there is no denying that the Carreras are more grand touring oriented than they ever were, but I'd hesitate in saying that Carrera buyers are not "real drivers".
Sometimes real drivers need a car that they can actually use in their real life.
Last edited by rk-d; 03-08-2017 at 09:05 AM.
03-08-2017, 08:31 AM
#51
Love the new front end, very clean and aggressive. The huge wing is a bit much for me on a regular basis, but how hard could it be to order an R deck lid and have a wingless GT3?
03-08-2017, 08:37 AM
#52
Been there, done that. Great car for the track, not such a great car for everything else. Car has great cache and everyone wants one, but unless tracking is a big part of your plans for the car, reality isn't as great as the idea. Tried real hard to make it work, and it wasn't my DD, but the wing was an obstruction in traffic, the 9K redline was illegal to reach on the street except in 1st, the lift didn't work for unseen small dips where the front lip would hit (10mm lower than SPASM), and truth be told the exhaust sounded pretty dull below 4K. Unless you can drive the car hard on the street it becomes frustrating real quick. Just a former owner's opinion, but I am not rushing to the dealer to trade .2 C2S even w/ an allocation.
03-08-2017, 08:38 AM
#53
Three Wheelin'
The 911 has always been a GT car. It was conceived as a fast touring car and Ferry Porsche insisted that rear seats be included to accommodate children. When the Porsche family took delivery of their personal 2.7 RSs in 1973 Ferry's was w/o ducktail and painted light metallic green. Two other family members has RSs built w/ sportomatic transmissions. The Porsche factory was initially skeptical of developing the 911 into a racer particularly since the company was always undercapitalized. The 911 was always larger than its competition of the day (mostly British roadsters in the 60s), and although Max Hoffman made the Speedster a success, Ferry Porsche always thought the car was too primitive and not in the spirit of what he considered a Porsche (he should know). The idea that only the GT cars are "true Porsches" is an unfortunate feature of Porsche internet forums where opinion always comes before fact.
03-08-2017, 09:43 AM
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I too am irritated at those people. The downside of a more comfortable and more accessible GT3 is that it brought a lot of poseurs to GT3s, who aren't really driving enthusiasts. The GT3 crowd has less real drivers than it used to.
I didn't want to rain on anyones parade on the 991 forum. I think the 991 Carreras are fantastic cars, just softer and less agile than I like, as I prefer a 997 carrera to a 991 from a standpoint of driving dynamics. A Carrera or turbo is a better all around than a GT3 in many ways if you don't track the car, or do a lot of backroads driving just for fun.
I would prefer if the GT3 wing was less prominent and looked like a turbo wing, but that's just how it comes. Other than that I love everything about the GT3, and it works for me as my modern do everything 911 model.
I didn't want to rain on anyones parade on the 991 forum. I think the 991 Carreras are fantastic cars, just softer and less agile than I like, as I prefer a 997 carrera to a 991 from a standpoint of driving dynamics. A Carrera or turbo is a better all around than a GT3 in many ways if you don't track the car, or do a lot of backroads driving just for fun.
I would prefer if the GT3 wing was less prominent and looked like a turbo wing, but that's just how it comes. Other than that I love everything about the GT3, and it works for me as my modern do everything 911 model.
03-08-2017, 10:04 AM
#55
Instructor
People tend to forget that Porsche has always made their next gen car faster than the old one (except possibly the fuel crisis and emissions years of the late XX century). The company is very serious about this, it's a core part of their product development philosophy.
03-08-2017, 10:08 AM
#56
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The 911 has always been a GT car. It was conceived as a fast touring car and Ferry Porsche insisted that rear seats be included to accommodate children. When the Porsche family took delivery of their personal 2.7 RSs in 1973 Ferry's was w/o ducktail and painted light metallic green. Two other family members has RSs built w/ sportomatic transmissions. The Porsche factory was initially skeptical of developing the 911 into a racer particularly since the company was always undercapitalized. The 911 was always larger than its competition of the day (mostly British roadsters in the 60s), and although Max Hoffman made the Speedster a success, Ferry Porsche always thought the car was too primitive and not in the spirit of what he considered a Porsche (he should know). The idea that only the GT cars are "true Porsches" is an unfortunate feature of Porsche internet forums where opinion always comes before fact.
Get out of here with your "history" and "facts". This is a place to measure d**ks about how "serious" of drivers we are, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.
03-08-2017, 11:14 AM
#57
I too am irritated at those people. The downside of a more comfortable and more accessible GT3 is that it brought a lot of poseurs to GT3s, who aren't really driving enthusiasts. The GT3 crowd has less real drivers than it used to.
I didn't want to rain on anyones parade on the 991 forum. I think the 991 Carreras are fantastic cars, just softer and less agile than I like, as I prefer a 997 carrera to a 991 from a standpoint of driving dynamics. A Carrera or turbo is a better all around than a GT3 in many ways if you don't track the car, or do a lot of backroads driving just for fun.
I would prefer if the GT3 wing was less prominent and looked like a turbo wing, but that's just how it comes. Other than that I love everything about the GT3, and it works for me as my modern do everything 911 model.
I didn't want to rain on anyones parade on the 991 forum. I think the 991 Carreras are fantastic cars, just softer and less agile than I like, as I prefer a 997 carrera to a 991 from a standpoint of driving dynamics. A Carrera or turbo is a better all around than a GT3 in many ways if you don't track the car, or do a lot of backroads driving just for fun.
I would prefer if the GT3 wing was less prominent and looked like a turbo wing, but that's just how it comes. Other than that I love everything about the GT3, and it works for me as my modern do everything 911 model.
03-08-2017, 11:25 AM
#58
My new 991.2 base is much softer then my old 2010 GT3. I actually enjoy driving it on the street, but when I autox the 2017........I wish it was a little sharper. But the 991.2 even base no options car is a wonderful car.
03-08-2017, 12:04 PM
#59
Been there, done that. Great car for the track, not such a great car for everything else. Car has great cache and everyone wants one, but unless tracking is a big part of your plans for the car, reality isn't as great as the idea. Tried real hard to make it work, and it wasn't my DD, but the wing was an obstruction in traffic, the 9K redline was illegal to reach on the street except in 1st, the lift didn't work for unseen small dips where the front lip would hit (10mm lower than SPASM), and truth be told the exhaust sounded pretty dull below 4K. Unless you can drive the car hard on the street it becomes frustrating real quick. Just a former owner's opinion, but I am not rushing to the dealer to trade .2 C2S even w/ an allocation.
03-08-2017, 02:41 PM
#60
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