991.2 Predictions: Don't get the powerkit
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991.2 Predictions: Don't get the powerkit
I've been reading a lot of the banter on 991.2 base, GTS, Powerkit, making power, etc.
My prediction is that for people that care about making power beyond factory spec that the Powerkit is the worst way to go. (lets set warranty aside and assume that people in this category mod regardless).
For the cost of the powerkit I predict that in the next year there will be >600hp aftermarket options. Likely the S will be the better platform to choose, however... with the minimal engine block differences the base may even be the best option wince aftermarket turbos will be needed to make this kind of power.
For the 991.1 the powerkit is near the power limits we've seen.
Who plans on doing a build for the 991.2?
My prediction is that for people that care about making power beyond factory spec that the Powerkit is the worst way to go. (lets set warranty aside and assume that people in this category mod regardless).
For the cost of the powerkit I predict that in the next year there will be >600hp aftermarket options. Likely the S will be the better platform to choose, however... with the minimal engine block differences the base may even be the best option wince aftermarket turbos will be needed to make this kind of power.
For the 991.1 the powerkit is near the power limits we've seen.
Who plans on doing a build for the 991.2?
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I ordered it on my upcoming 4S. Don't do any of my own engine work, it comes with the GT Sport package goodies and happy to have a full factory warranty on the most powerful MT I can order as a non-VIP.
A base would have certainly been plenty of car for me, but I kept checking boxes.
A base would have certainly been plenty of car for me, but I kept checking boxes.
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There may be little benefit to adding the power kit after taking delivery, but the seems little reason not to check the box for the Sport Package that includes the powerkit because you are getting 30HP and 30ft/lb torque for $7K fully factory warranted and installed. I'm not a fan of aftermarket engine work no matter the gains.
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I'd have to agree with OP here. If you plan on doing any ecu tune at some point, the power kit may be a waste.
I would think the fellas at Cobb will have a stage 1 ecu reflash with 50+hp/torque and a stage 2 (exhaust+tune) with 75 or so.
I would think the fellas at Cobb will have a stage 1 ecu reflash with 50+hp/torque and a stage 2 (exhaust+tune) with 75 or so.
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Again - for people that stick to mostly factory - a quick dead end conversation but for the large number of modders(Porsche and M3 are most likely demographic to mod.) just a thought and column fodder discussion.
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Prediction: Porsche will start aggressively flagging ECU tuned cars. What is the powertrain warranty on a $120k car worth?
Turbo/supercharged Audis have been tuned for well over a decade. It took Audi a few years to catch on, and then started flagging tuned cars. Hell, an Audi memo was posted indicating that they were now able to detect if a tuning box had been installed.
Will it be cheaper to flash the ECU vs paying for the power kit? Absolutely, unless your engine detonates and Porsche denies warranty coverage.
Oh, and citing the M-M Act won't save you with an ECU flash
Turbo/supercharged Audis have been tuned for well over a decade. It took Audi a few years to catch on, and then started flagging tuned cars. Hell, an Audi memo was posted indicating that they were now able to detect if a tuning box had been installed.
Will it be cheaper to flash the ECU vs paying for the power kit? Absolutely, unless your engine detonates and Porsche denies warranty coverage.
Oh, and citing the M-M Act won't save you with an ECU flash
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Not having any first hand experience I question as to whether or not the aftermarket will actually be that much cheaper part for part than the Power Kit.
For example, the $12,000 PK comes with Sport Chrono and Sport Exhaust so that is close to $5,000 of the cost right there. That leaves about $7,000 for larger turbos and tuning. How much do larger turbos cost? How much is the labor to have them installed? What does this do to the resale compared to the factory options?
When it comes to mods does re-sale even matter?
And don't forget the improved brake cooling? That might be needed if you have extra power and actually use it.
For example, the $12,000 PK comes with Sport Chrono and Sport Exhaust so that is close to $5,000 of the cost right there. That leaves about $7,000 for larger turbos and tuning. How much do larger turbos cost? How much is the labor to have them installed? What does this do to the resale compared to the factory options?
When it comes to mods does re-sale even matter?
And don't forget the improved brake cooling? That might be needed if you have extra power and actually use it.
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I've never understood the whole horsepower thing. My powerkit 991 which makes a paltry 420hp or so will exceed the speed limit in first gear. What the hell do we need more power for in a road car? It's already too damn fast outside of actual track driving. And, for actual track driving, I'd rather have a lightweight open wheel formula car with even less horsepower.
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When I look at the pricing on the Canadian site for the power kit, isn't it a better deal just to get a GTS? You get the same power, and a wider body and the price difference isn't that much. Is there a reason why would one pick a C2S + power kit over a GTS?
As to chipping my car to make more power? No thank you. Not interested in spending $140,000 for a C2S and then voiding the warranty with a chip. I'm sure others don't worry about stuff like that though.
As to chipping my car to make more power? No thank you. Not interested in spending $140,000 for a C2S and then voiding the warranty with a chip. I'm sure others don't worry about stuff like that though.
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So an S with standard interior and seats and PowerKit is a good bit lower than a GTS.
I think it all depends on what options you really want.
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I haven't fully decided which way I am going to go but..... GTS comes with Sport Plus seats which dont fit me. 4-way sport seats is not an option so I am forced to buy 14 way seats AND leather interior. Which I guess is OK because I'm not a fan of Alcantara. Not sure I want the added expense and maintenance of PDCC and RWS. Not sure I want to deal with CLs.
So an S with standard interior and seats and PowerKit is a good bit lower than a GTS.
I think it all depends on what options you really want.
So an S with standard interior and seats and PowerKit is a good bit lower than a GTS.
I think it all depends on what options you really want.
I was thinking that once you get up to 450 HP, AWD becomes an option that will help ensure the power gets to the ground effectively?
Anyway, just musing, as I have a C4 base inbound.
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first, the power kit gives you bigger turbos, and better ecu program. My guess is a aftermkt ecu will boost it well beyond any other stock S
second its always been a hocus-pocus about gts power. They never say you get the power kit option in a gts, it just says boosted power with vague description. I dont believe they ever gave $15k power kit mods to gts, at best boosted the ecu
Third, read the gts description, it says 450hp and nothing about getting the power kit bigger turbos but the power kit is not available to buy on gts
I believe the better potential is a S w/ the power kit. the power kit sport pkg 13,700 is the way to go you get alot of other things beside the power kit
second its always been a hocus-pocus about gts power. They never say you get the power kit option in a gts, it just says boosted power with vague description. I dont believe they ever gave $15k power kit mods to gts, at best boosted the ecu
Third, read the gts description, it says 450hp and nothing about getting the power kit bigger turbos but the power kit is not available to buy on gts
I believe the better potential is a S w/ the power kit. the power kit sport pkg 13,700 is the way to go you get alot of other things beside the power kit