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Old 03-23-2016, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 991carreradriver
What really is mirroring 2008 is the rise of car loan defaults. Always an informal leading indicator to recession.
there will be lots of cheap used Porsches hit the market then... a lot more work for STG...
Old 03-23-2016, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Porsche_nuts
$350K USD in Tailand, $450K USD in Hong Kong. Seems buying in the U.S. is quite the bargain.
It's all relative of how the tax structure works. Europeans are taxed on consumption where we are taxed on everything from income to real estate and consumption. On average 50 to 55% of our income is taxed once you account for real estate and sales tax. Combined with income we pay a higher percentage. So those prices are actually bargains.
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Originally Posted by 991carreradriver
What really is mirroring 2008 is the rise of car loan defaults. Always an informal leading indicator to recession.
They're giving out loans to anyone with a pulse. Low rates and lax requirements. Have you seen the huge bubble in high end car leases?

Talked to a AAA guy who goes out to help stranded motorists, etc. Said every time he pulls up to an apartment complex or housing area many people run out of their apartments to stand in front/behind their cars thinking they're getting repoed when they see a flatbed.
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Originally Posted by STG991
They're giving out loans to anyone with a pulse. Low rates and lax requirements. Have you seen the huge bubble in high end car leases?

Talked to a AAA guy who goes out to help stranded motorists, etc. Said every time he pulls up to an apartment complex or housing area many people run out of their apartments to stand in front/behind their cars thinking they're getting repoed when they see a flatbed.
I know it affects us all when those folks default, but I could not help LMAO, when I pictured this.
Old 03-23-2016, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LCW
Is that because smaller engines get a lower tariff or import duty? Isn't that the case in China? So the actual price of the car has not really dropped... Correct?
Yes, that is why there was no Ford Mustang (before 2.3ecoboost was introduced) in China. And the price of Ferrari488 goes down a lot compared to 458.
Old 03-23-2016, 01:03 PM
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So a one size fits all approach and emphasis on the most promising and emerging Asian markets.

Good for bottom line sales, but there are casualties.
Old 03-23-2016, 01:42 PM
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let's be clear; loans and delinquencies of the lowest fico score auto loans (ie, no credit history, low fico, "subprime") are on the rise.....but the s&p/experian auto loan default index is only at 1.05% hardly having risen over the last twelve months.
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The title to this thread is pure click bait...
Old 03-24-2016, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by EricHai
Yes, that is why there was no Ford Mustang (before 2.3ecoboost was introduced) in China. And the price of Ferrari488 goes down a lot compared to 458.
Also in China, Porsche = Cayenne not 911.
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Originally Posted by STG991
This isn't for those who run the company, that bonus is for the people who build amazingly great cars to extremely high standards day in and day out.
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Originally Posted by STG991
People forget their history lessons pretty quick. Especially the banks. Wait to see what happens when interest rates start shooting up. Pop goes the balloon.
When interest rates go up, the banks will have improved earnings due to the lag between interest paid for deposits relative to interest received on loans. The interest margin will widen.
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Originally Posted by Porsche_nuts
$350K USD in Tailand, $450K USD in Hong Kong. Seems buying in the U.S. is quite the bargain.
No wonder so many Asian students in LA County drive super cars. Same price as a Camry back home.
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And default rates are not rising here in the US, while credit policies are actually tightening. Outside of some concentrated energy related risk, the banking sector is very strong and not even remotely in a similar position to 2008.

Funny thing is the Fed is actually pissed that banks are tightening their credit requirements...damned if you do...
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The real killer is the 'First Registration Tax' in HK which is 115% and applies to new cars over $65,000 USD.

This basically means, all P's are doubled in price. 1/2 of the price goes to the HK govt. Electric Vehicles (Model S) on other hand are exempt from this tax till Mar 2017.
Old 03-24-2016, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
And default rates are not rising here in the US, while credit policies are actually tightening. Outside of some concentrated energy related risk, the banking sector is very strong and not even remotely in a similar position to 2008. Funny thing is the Fed is actually pissed that banks are tightening their credit requirements...damned if you do...
There is a conspiracy theory that Janet Yellin is in fact South Park Stan Marsh's older sister Shelly grown up. Listen to the voice of Janet (AKA Shelly) when she was young and today and YOU decide! Pretty chilling stuff! The Fed staff say her behavior is more like "Shelly" behind closed doors.




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