Would you buy a "PCNA Display Vehicle" (aka "Press Vehicle")?
04-09-2018, 07:13 PM
#46
Race Director
Originally Posted by sautan
Lack of experience and thought it was great deal. Jump into it right away. meantime, never heard of rennlist until this morning.
Spend $140K without research? It's your $$.
Somehow you found Rennlist when you have an issue. I like to minimize my risks and do research before the fact. Anyway, if not happy demand to have it sent back and get your $$ back. Get an attorney and send them a letter if they don't accommodate.
This car has been passed around the brothel for 4K miles and driven hard if you get my drift.
04-09-2018, 07:24 PM
#48
Burning Brakes
Just my 2 cents so you dont panic.
1) if the contract states specifically that there is no damage- but there is- you should be compensated and there should be some protection. dont fall for the 'you knew it had 4k miles on it' excuse. Ive seen plenty of 4k mile cars that are immaculate so the mileage itself is not a reflection of condition but I bet the dealer tries to say that.
2) if the dealer is not playing ball then go to Porsche NA. As fat and happy as PNA is I would expect them to be responsive to dealer related issues and negativity. I had an experience with an Audi dealer that I went to Audi NA(advice from a different Audi dealer gave me) and they stepped in and trumped the dealer on the issue to the tune of $15k to make it right.
PS: your deal sounds just fine for a GTS assuming the car was delivered as represented.
1) if the contract states specifically that there is no damage- but there is- you should be compensated and there should be some protection. dont fall for the 'you knew it had 4k miles on it' excuse. Ive seen plenty of 4k mile cars that are immaculate so the mileage itself is not a reflection of condition but I bet the dealer tries to say that.
2) if the dealer is not playing ball then go to Porsche NA. As fat and happy as PNA is I would expect them to be responsive to dealer related issues and negativity. I had an experience with an Audi dealer that I went to Audi NA(advice from a different Audi dealer gave me) and they stepped in and trumped the dealer on the issue to the tune of $15k to make it right.
PS: your deal sounds just fine for a GTS assuming the car was delivered as represented.
04-09-2018, 08:02 PM
#49
Rennlist Member
Porsche press cars are like normal Porsches in at least two ways: They were built in the same factory and how good or bad the car is depends on who was driving it.
Whoever got my 987.2 Cayman S long-termer from Excellence got a great car. Reasonable miles per year (8000~, I think), never driven hard before the oil was up to temp, 2-3 track days, fresh brakes, fresh tires, no dings, no scratches, never-scraped front bumper, no curb rash, no interior damage, etc. Had I wanted one with PDK, I would not have hesitated. I would have purchased the 997 RS 4.0 "press car" (and wish I had, even though I didn't like its spec), as it only went to 3-5 people and that was it, and I knew all of them. I suspect there are other "press cars" like that out there. Then there are press fleet cars, and while Porsche is more careful about who gets into its press cars these days, there are always those who view press cars as an opportunity rather than a privilege with responsibility.
So, I might buy a press car...if I knew who drove it and how it was used. And that info is rarely available. When I knew the GT4 was going to go, I saw the red base 991.2 seen in the Motor Trend video at my dealership. It had been purchased at auction. I had driven it, and had a memorable drive in it, and it was a sweetheart. Still looked good, but...I didn't know who else had been in it. Thought about it...but decided I didn't want a red one (which made the decision easier). 4,000 miles isn't much for a press car. They used to let them go to 10,000-15,000 (I think it is lower now), and I saw one 996 Turbo with 20,000+ miles, so maybe this car was used for shows and/or an exec.
The best advice on this thread is probably to buy it only if you're cool with moving it on before the warranty is up—if the car turns out to be a great car and a keeper, then that's a bonus. Or, pay more for a car that isn't a mystery.
Whoever got my 987.2 Cayman S long-termer from Excellence got a great car. Reasonable miles per year (8000~, I think), never driven hard before the oil was up to temp, 2-3 track days, fresh brakes, fresh tires, no dings, no scratches, never-scraped front bumper, no curb rash, no interior damage, etc. Had I wanted one with PDK, I would not have hesitated. I would have purchased the 997 RS 4.0 "press car" (and wish I had, even though I didn't like its spec), as it only went to 3-5 people and that was it, and I knew all of them. I suspect there are other "press cars" like that out there. Then there are press fleet cars, and while Porsche is more careful about who gets into its press cars these days, there are always those who view press cars as an opportunity rather than a privilege with responsibility.
So, I might buy a press car...if I knew who drove it and how it was used. And that info is rarely available. When I knew the GT4 was going to go, I saw the red base 991.2 seen in the Motor Trend video at my dealership. It had been purchased at auction. I had driven it, and had a memorable drive in it, and it was a sweetheart. Still looked good, but...I didn't know who else had been in it. Thought about it...but decided I didn't want a red one (which made the decision easier). 4,000 miles isn't much for a press car. They used to let them go to 10,000-15,000 (I think it is lower now), and I saw one 996 Turbo with 20,000+ miles, so maybe this car was used for shows and/or an exec.
The best advice on this thread is probably to buy it only if you're cool with moving it on before the warranty is up—if the car turns out to be a great car and a keeper, then that's a bonus. Or, pay more for a car that isn't a mystery.
04-09-2018, 08:13 PM
#50
Race Director
There are also the Porsche driving experience cars that they track and others they haul around the country for dealer track days. Reality is, you have no clue how the car was/wasn't driven.
I would never buy a fleet rental car either.
Not trying to be doom and gloom, but as long as a potential buyer has the info they can make their own choice.
Just get irritated by terms like "executive driven". Like what the hell is that? What does that insinuate?? Some white collar goof is supposedly easy on cars??
How about, "pervert driven", "drug dealer driven", "grandma driven", "fast & furious driven", "woman driven", etc....
I would never buy a fleet rental car either.
Not trying to be doom and gloom, but as long as a potential buyer has the info they can make their own choice.
Just get irritated by terms like "executive driven". Like what the hell is that? What does that insinuate?? Some white collar goof is supposedly easy on cars??
How about, "pervert driven", "drug dealer driven", "grandma driven", "fast & furious driven", "woman driven", etc....
04-09-2018, 08:22 PM
#51
Three Wheelin'
I had a BMW Z4 M Coupe press car as a lease. $640 a month on a 3 year lease for what, at the time, would have been north of $1,100 CAD. What a great bargain it was.
04-09-2018, 08:23 PM
#52
Race Director
Originally Posted by koala
I had a BMW Z4 M Coupe press car as a lease. $640 a month on a 3 year lease for what, at the time, would have been north of $1,100 CAD. What a great bargain it was.
Good deal, although a lease is one step above a rental. You're not married to it.
04-09-2018, 08:50 PM
#53
Rennlist Member
I agree with the above: You have to move carefully with these, and they present risks new cars don't. They may also present more risk than the average used car...but that average used car might be worse than a particular press car.
04-09-2018, 10:14 PM
#54
Race Director
Originally Posted by sautan
Lack of experience and thought it was great deal. Jump into it right away. meantime, I forgot about rennlist after signed up And I cannot create any new post too.
Good luck and keep us posted. They clearly misrepresented the condition of the vehicle.
04-09-2018, 10:59 PM
#55
Three Wheelin'
And how did it perform? Any problems? Etc?
I agree with the above: You have to move carefully with these, and they present risks new cars don't. They may also present more risk than the average used car...but that average used car might be worse than a particular press car.
I agree with the above: You have to move carefully with these, and they present risks new cars don't. They may also present more risk than the average used car...but that average used car might be worse than a particular press car.
I should have bought it out in retrospect but I was convinced I needed a new car every two or three years
04-10-2018, 02:32 AM
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At this point, I am just checking opinions and how should I deal with it because it's out of state and just in case thing goes side way. I am not going to disclose who and which dealership at this point. I am not here to bad mouth anyone.
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04-10-2018, 12:33 PM
#60
I would pass also. I love and respect cars, but that being said, I know how I treat loaners and rentals on the street. Imagine if I had a track, free tires, and a limited time in the car to burn as well.
This brings up an interesting question/ possible survey. Does anyone who has owned a Porsche diving experience, or press car LONG TERM want to chime in? Someone brought up a good point that they are well taken care of, but they are also driven hard, every day. I'd be interested to see their long term reliability and oil burn issues. For all I know and hope, these cars survive that kind of treatment with no long term effects, but who knows?
This brings up an interesting question/ possible survey. Does anyone who has owned a Porsche diving experience, or press car LONG TERM want to chime in? Someone brought up a good point that they are well taken care of, but they are also driven hard, every day. I'd be interested to see their long term reliability and oil burn issues. For all I know and hope, these cars survive that kind of treatment with no long term effects, but who knows?