Rolex 24
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Great race and glad to see Porsche on the podium, however it was hard to watch the 912 car get passed by not only one, but both Vette's in last hour of the race. At the end, it appeared the 911 didn't have the power to keep up. Received a few texts from fellow Vette fans rubbing it in. Uggg..........
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I realize that Porsche's performance in the GTLM class will not matter one bit to potential Porsche customers (I can tell you that I am now a 911 owner for life after buying my first 911 last month) - but I will be curious to know if Porsche will make any major changes to their car after getting their butt kicked by Corvette Racing.
If I wanted to go fast in a straight line I probably would not be a 911 owner.
I was more excited to see the new Audi R8 in the GTD class win. They were not the fastest by any means on the straights and they still kicked butt.
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I realize that Porsche's performance in the GTLM class will not matter one bit to potential Porsche customers (I can tell you that I am now a 911 owner for life after buying my first 911 last month) - but I will be curious to know if Porsche will make any major changes to their car after getting their butt kicked by Corvette Racing. I've heard that future race cars will push the engine forward to a more mid-engine configuration. I know it's just about Porsche pride at this point but I would love to see Porsche racing get more competitive - and potentially "upgrade" the 911 to reflect these changes in the future.
I also know that the real Porsche 911 diehards on Rennlist (those gentlemen (and women) who have owned many generations of 911s) are wedded to the idea of a rear engine car but if it really meant improved vehicle dynamics and handing... would it really kill anyone to move the engine forward a bit... or is this only a part of the problem? Sorry I just had all of these thoughts running through my head as I watched Corvette Racing beat Earl Bamber's 911 RSR.
Of course I know that the Boxster/Cayman represent Porsche's rear-engine platform but in my mind the true essence of the 911 is to be Porsche's range-topper ... obviously outside of their sporadic supercar offerings. Thanks for listening to my random musings on a Monday.![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
I also know that the real Porsche 911 diehards on Rennlist (those gentlemen (and women) who have owned many generations of 911s) are wedded to the idea of a rear engine car but if it really meant improved vehicle dynamics and handing... would it really kill anyone to move the engine forward a bit... or is this only a part of the problem? Sorry I just had all of these thoughts running through my head as I watched Corvette Racing beat Earl Bamber's 911 RSR.
Of course I know that the Boxster/Cayman represent Porsche's rear-engine platform but in my mind the true essence of the 911 is to be Porsche's range-topper ... obviously outside of their sporadic supercar offerings. Thanks for listening to my random musings on a Monday.
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This from a 997 GT3 owner as well as a 991 owner.
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Rear engine dynamics are not good for racing at all. The Le Mans winning 911 (GT1) was actually mid-engined. All of the recent Porsche supercars are mid engined. The 991 has had its engine moved forward compared to the 997. Porsche knows. Race engineers know. Stubborn 911 owners don't want to know. Eventually the advertising and marketing teams will get the 911 to a mid engine type platform.
This from a 997 GT3 owner as well as a 991 owner.
This from a 997 GT3 owner as well as a 991 owner.
And it is all the more entertaining to see completion between front engine, mid engine and rear engine machinery from all the manufacturers that actually sell high performance street sports cars!
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The 911 intakes are restricted for the race/series, correct?
What about the 'vette intake?
Given this it seems pointless to proclaim which is faster in a straight line.
What about the 'vette intake?
Given this it seems pointless to proclaim which is faster in a straight line.
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Here is an article that details the updates for the 2016 991 RSRs that ran at Daytona:
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/p...daytona-debut/
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I think they are all resticted for the Balance of Performance, which keeps getting updates.
Here are the changes that were put in for Daytona after the Roar before the Rolex 24 (where the teams were all told they were sandbagging, based on data readouts).
GT Le Mans
*BMW M6 GTLM: Reduction in boost ratios, larger Gurney (5 to 15mm), 9-liter increaase in fuel capacity (95 to 104 liters), 33.5mm refueling restrictor
*Corvette C7.R: 0.2 mm smaller air restrictor (30.1 to 29.9mm x2), 6-liter increase in fuel capacity (86 to 92 liters), 32mm refueling restrictor
*Ferrari 488 GTE: Slight reduction in boost ratios, confirmed 78 liters fuel capacity and 29.5mm refueling restrictor
*Ford GT: Reduction in boost ratios, 3-liter increase in fuel capacity (95 to 98 liters), 35mm refueling restrictor
*Porsche 911 RSR: 6 liter increase in fuel capacity (85 to 91 liters), 32mm refueling restrictor
GT Daytona
*Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3: 10kg weight reduction (1260 to 1250kg), 1.3mm larger air restrictor (40.7 to 42mm x2 ), 13-liter increase in fuel capacity (90 to 103 liters)
*Audi R8 LMS ultra: 10kg weight reduction (1300 to 1290kg), 1.7mm larger air restrictor (52.3 to 54mm x2), 3-liter increase in fuel capacity increase (104 to 107 liters)
*Audi R8 LMS (new): 20kg weight increase (1280 to 1300kg), 2mm reduction in air restrictor (40 to 38mm x2), 4-liter increase in fuel capacity (86 to 90 liters)
*BMW M6 GT3: 10kg weight increase (1300 to 1310kg), reduction in boost ratios, 9-liter increase in fuel capacity (95 to 104 liters)
*Dodge Viper GT3-R: 20kg weight reduction (1340 to 1320kg), 1mm reduction in air restrictor (39 to 38mm x2), 4-liter increase in fuel capacity (103 to 107 liters)
*Ferrari 458 Italia GT3: 20kg weight reduction (1300 to 1280kg), 200 rpm reduction (8400 to 8200 rpm)
*Lamborghini Huracan GT3: 20kg weight increase (1260 to 1280kg), 2mm smaller air restrictor (39 to 37mm x2), 1 liter increase in fuel capacity (89 to 90 liters)
*Porsche 911 GT3 R: 1 liter reduction in fuel capacity (85 to 84 liters)
http://www.motorsport.com/imsa/news/...lex-24-669173/
Here are the changes that were put in for Daytona after the Roar before the Rolex 24 (where the teams were all told they were sandbagging, based on data readouts).
GT Le Mans
*BMW M6 GTLM: Reduction in boost ratios, larger Gurney (5 to 15mm), 9-liter increaase in fuel capacity (95 to 104 liters), 33.5mm refueling restrictor
*Corvette C7.R: 0.2 mm smaller air restrictor (30.1 to 29.9mm x2), 6-liter increase in fuel capacity (86 to 92 liters), 32mm refueling restrictor
*Ferrari 488 GTE: Slight reduction in boost ratios, confirmed 78 liters fuel capacity and 29.5mm refueling restrictor
*Ford GT: Reduction in boost ratios, 3-liter increase in fuel capacity (95 to 98 liters), 35mm refueling restrictor
*Porsche 911 RSR: 6 liter increase in fuel capacity (85 to 91 liters), 32mm refueling restrictor
GT Daytona
*Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3: 10kg weight reduction (1260 to 1250kg), 1.3mm larger air restrictor (40.7 to 42mm x2 ), 13-liter increase in fuel capacity (90 to 103 liters)
*Audi R8 LMS ultra: 10kg weight reduction (1300 to 1290kg), 1.7mm larger air restrictor (52.3 to 54mm x2), 3-liter increase in fuel capacity increase (104 to 107 liters)
*Audi R8 LMS (new): 20kg weight increase (1280 to 1300kg), 2mm reduction in air restrictor (40 to 38mm x2), 4-liter increase in fuel capacity (86 to 90 liters)
*BMW M6 GT3: 10kg weight increase (1300 to 1310kg), reduction in boost ratios, 9-liter increase in fuel capacity (95 to 104 liters)
*Dodge Viper GT3-R: 20kg weight reduction (1340 to 1320kg), 1mm reduction in air restrictor (39 to 38mm x2), 4-liter increase in fuel capacity (103 to 107 liters)
*Ferrari 458 Italia GT3: 20kg weight reduction (1300 to 1280kg), 200 rpm reduction (8400 to 8200 rpm)
*Lamborghini Huracan GT3: 20kg weight increase (1260 to 1280kg), 2mm smaller air restrictor (39 to 37mm x2), 1 liter increase in fuel capacity (89 to 90 liters)
*Porsche 911 GT3 R: 1 liter reduction in fuel capacity (85 to 84 liters)
http://www.motorsport.com/imsa/news/...lex-24-669173/