View Poll Results: PDCC ?
Yes
45
49.45%
No
46
50.55%
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PDCC Poll
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It was nothing more than a humorous remark ... Clearly you had a probelm spotting that
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I have PDCC on my GTS, having driven cars with and without it at Silverstone. On the track I loved it - definitely allowed me to corner more quickly. It's also great for high-intensity driving on the road; you can do things that normal physics would dictate you shouldn't be able to do.
But there is something a little odd to me about that. I'm not a track guy, I'm a road guy who likes a feeling of total connection to whatever I'm driving or riding. When I test drove the 991.2, which didn't have PDCC (and I know it has improved suspension etc etc so not a strictly fair comparison), I felt I could corner much more intuitively and was aware of what the car was doing more exactly than I am in my own car.
But there is something a little odd to me about that. I'm not a track guy, I'm a road guy who likes a feeling of total connection to whatever I'm driving or riding. When I test drove the 991.2, which didn't have PDCC (and I know it has improved suspension etc etc so not a strictly fair comparison), I felt I could corner much more intuitively and was aware of what the car was doing more exactly than I am in my own car.
I chose no.
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Given all PDCC is essentially doing is eliminating body roll, which is what most race car suspensions strive to do as well, I'm not sure why people call it artificial. I think it's simply because people aren't used to driving a car with that low a level of body roll. Personally, whether the car does it by using passive suspension components that rattle my teeth out or active suspension technology that manages to deliver a decent ride while also cornering dead flat, doesn't make either natural or artificial. Just different technology achieving the same goal.
My X73 Cayman corners pretty flat. My PDCC Carrera just corners a little flatter. Doesn't feel artificial, just more aggressive in the corners and more planted to the road. Unusual? Yes, because few street cars have that low a level of body roll. Artificial? Nah.
The most positive aspect of PDCC is the sense of immense corner grip when you're driving the car spiritedly.
My X73 Cayman corners pretty flat. My PDCC Carrera just corners a little flatter. Doesn't feel artificial, just more aggressive in the corners and more planted to the road. Unusual? Yes, because few street cars have that low a level of body roll. Artificial? Nah.
The most positive aspect of PDCC is the sense of immense corner grip when you're driving the car spiritedly.
Drifting
Joined: Jun 2002
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From: St. Louis
Given all PDCC is essentially doing is eliminating body roll, which is what most race car suspensions strive to do as well, I'm not sure why people call it artificial. I think it's simply because people aren't used to driving a car with that low a level of body roll. Personally, whether the car does it by using passive suspension components that rattle my teeth out or active suspension technology that manages to deliver a decent ride while also cornering dead flat, doesn't make either natural or artificial. Just different technology achieving the same goal.
My X73 Cayman corners pretty flat. My PDCC Carrera just corners a little flatter. Doesn't feel artificial, just more aggressive in the corners and more planted to the road. Unusual? Yes, because few street cars have that low a level of body roll. Artificial? Nah.
The most positive aspect of PDCC is the sense of immense corner grip when you're driving the car spiritedly.
My X73 Cayman corners pretty flat. My PDCC Carrera just corners a little flatter. Doesn't feel artificial, just more aggressive in the corners and more planted to the road. Unusual? Yes, because few street cars have that low a level of body roll. Artificial? Nah.
The most positive aspect of PDCC is the sense of immense corner grip when you're driving the car spiritedly.
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From: Florida
Given all PDCC is essentially doing is eliminating body roll, which is what most race car suspensions strive to do as well, I'm not sure why people call it artificial. I think it's simply because people aren't used to driving a car with that low a level of body roll. Personally, whether the car does it by using passive suspension components that rattle my teeth out or active suspension technology that manages to deliver a decent ride while also cornering dead flat, doesn't make either natural or artificial. Just different technology achieving the same goal.
My X73 Cayman corners pretty flat. My PDCC Carrera just corners a little flatter. Doesn't feel artificial, just more aggressive in the corners and more planted to the road. Unusual? Yes, because few street cars have that low a level of body roll. Artificial? Nah.
The most positive aspect of PDCC is the sense of immense corner grip when you're driving the car spiritedly.
My X73 Cayman corners pretty flat. My PDCC Carrera just corners a little flatter. Doesn't feel artificial, just more aggressive in the corners and more planted to the road. Unusual? Yes, because few street cars have that low a level of body roll. Artificial? Nah.
The most positive aspect of PDCC is the sense of immense corner grip when you're driving the car spiritedly.
My GT3 achieves more grip, and is better planted to the road while still feeling much more natural than a Carrera with PDDC. Yes I've driven both.
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Burning Brakes
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From: PNW
Off topic slightly:
On Land Cruisers they have the opposite & call it KDSS....(Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System)
"The KDSS System is a Hydro-Mechanical Semi-Active anti-roll bar"
The bars disengage when the going gets tough... more wheel travel allowed.
On Land Cruisers they have the opposite & call it KDSS....(Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System)
"The KDSS System is a Hydro-Mechanical Semi-Active anti-roll bar"
The bars disengage when the going gets tough... more wheel travel allowed.
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Given all PDCC is essentially doing is eliminating body roll, which is what most race car suspensions strive to do as well, I'm not sure why people call it artificial. I think it's simply because people aren't used to driving a car with that low a level of body roll. Personally, whether the car does it by using passive suspension components that rattle my teeth out or active suspension technology that manages to deliver a decent ride while also cornering dead flat, doesn't make either natural or artificial. Just different technology achieving the same goal.
My X73 Cayman corners pretty flat. My PDCC Carrera just corners a little flatter. Doesn't feel artificial, just more aggressive in the corners and more planted to the road. Unusual? Yes, because few street cars have that low a level of body roll. Artificial? Nah.
The most positive aspect of PDCC is the sense of immense corner grip when you're driving the car spiritedly.
My X73 Cayman corners pretty flat. My PDCC Carrera just corners a little flatter. Doesn't feel artificial, just more aggressive in the corners and more planted to the road. Unusual? Yes, because few street cars have that low a level of body roll. Artificial? Nah.
The most positive aspect of PDCC is the sense of immense corner grip when you're driving the car spiritedly.
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From: S.F Bay Area
that's pretty much what PDCC is ... including the disengagement while driving in a straight line...
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The selling point for me is allowing the suspension to work indepedently when not cor. At high speeds over bumpy roads, the ride is more settled. It also reduces the tendency for the wheel and car to drop into the pothole. I have had 2 Panameras, one with pdcc and one without. For heavy vehicles it seems to make a significant difference. I ordered it on a 991 GTS because of my prior experience with the Panny but I haven't tracked it and