2017-18 Porsche 911 "R"
10-26-2015, 10:41 PM
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2017-18 Porsche 911 "R"
Well I went on the waiting list today with a Porsche dealer in the hopes I can get 2017 or 2018 - 911 "R" if they make them which it sounds like they will. I've heard 450-500hp, weight savings material and of course the 6 speed. Anyone else hear any cool stuff?
10-26-2015, 11:09 PM
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A 'R' may be in the works but many of us "GT" guys who have manual cars aren't interested. This R is meant to satisfy the more raw experience. Porsche was convinced after the GT4 success and the crazy 997 GT3 prices that a market for more sporty manual cars still exists for them.
Who knows what this car will be. I doubt it'll have a 6 speed.
Who knows what this car will be. I doubt it'll have a 6 speed.
10-27-2015, 11:29 AM
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A 'R' may be in the works but many of us "GT" guys who have manual cars aren't interested. This R is meant to satisfy the more raw experience. Porsche was convinced after the GT4 success and the crazy 997 GT3 prices that a market for more sporty manual cars still exists for them.
Who knows what this car will be. I doubt it'll have a 6 speed.
Who knows what this car will be. I doubt it'll have a 6 speed.
10-27-2015, 12:29 PM
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A 'R' may be in the works but many of us "GT" guys who have manual cars aren't interested. This R is meant to satisfy the more raw experience. Porsche was convinced after the GT4 success and the crazy 997 GT3 prices that a market for more sporty manual cars still exists for them.
Who knows what this car will be. I doubt it'll have a 6 speed.
Who knows what this car will be. I doubt it'll have a 6 speed.
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10-27-2015, 12:45 PM
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The 6 speed gearbox that was used in the 997, the 987, and now the 981, is made by Getrag. The 7 speed ZF gearbox has the same size and dimensions (except for a few cooling fins here and there) for the PDK and the manual in the 991.
Why would the 991 chassis and transmission mounting points be re-engineered to fit the 6 speed gearbox that would, either need to be the above mentioned Getrag box, or a newly designed 6 speed box (ZF or Getrag)? With Porsche mastering the one size fits all scheme, what is the reasoning of a 6 speed versus a 7 speed in the 911 'R'? Not to mention the added emissions control the seventh speed provides.
I'd love to have a 6 speed, but it's unlikely.
Why would the 991 chassis and transmission mounting points be re-engineered to fit the 6 speed gearbox that would, either need to be the above mentioned Getrag box, or a newly designed 6 speed box (ZF or Getrag)? With Porsche mastering the one size fits all scheme, what is the reasoning of a 6 speed versus a 7 speed in the 911 'R'? Not to mention the added emissions control the seventh speed provides.
I'd love to have a 6 speed, but it's unlikely.
10-27-2015, 01:32 PM
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Sorry, I misspoke. I meant a MT, wasn't being specific to 6 or 7 speed, though it wouldn't surprise me if they went with a 6 speed if they are really trying to build a classic raw sports car. The 6 speed in the GT4 is a much better experience than the 7 speed in the 991.
10-27-2015, 01:43 PM
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The 6 speed gearbox that was used in the 997, the 987, and now the 981, is made by Getrag. The 7 speed ZF gearbox has the same size and dimensions (except for a few cooling fins here and there) for the PDK and the manual in the 991.
Why would the 991 chassis and transmission mounting points be re-engineered to fit the 6 speed gearbox that would, either need to be the above mentioned Getrag box, or a newly designed 6 speed box (ZF or Getrag)? With Porsche mastering the one size fits all scheme, what is the reasoning of a 6 speed versus a 7 speed in the 911 'R'? Not to mention the added emissions control the seventh speed provides.
I'd love to have a 6 speed, but it's unlikely.
Why would the 991 chassis and transmission mounting points be re-engineered to fit the 6 speed gearbox that would, either need to be the above mentioned Getrag box, or a newly designed 6 speed box (ZF or Getrag)? With Porsche mastering the one size fits all scheme, what is the reasoning of a 6 speed versus a 7 speed in the 911 'R'? Not to mention the added emissions control the seventh speed provides.
I'd love to have a 6 speed, but it's unlikely.
10-27-2015, 01:48 PM
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Sure hope it's possible for the average guy who goes on the waiting list to get one?.. By the production numbers people are saying that Porsche is gonna produce I'm doubtful I'll be lucky enough. I totally respect that the 918 guys have first rights and can do whatever they want with their cars although I know of (2) who immediately flipped the 918 & the 991 - GT3 RS within 1mth of their arrival because they could profit $500,000 or so for the two combined.. Frustrating when enthusiasts plan on keeping theirs forever. Again, it's their property and they can do what they want, just saying...
10-27-2015, 01:55 PM
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Sure hope it's possible for the average guy who goes on the waiting list to get one?.. By the production numbers people are saying that Porsche is gonna produce I'm doubtful I'll be lucky enough. I totally respect that the 918 guys have first rights and can do whatever they want with their cars although I know of (2) who immediately flipped the 918 & the 991 - GT3 RS within 1mth of their arrival because they could profit $500,000 or so for the two combined.. Frustrating when enthusiasts plan on keeping theirs forever. Again, it's their property and they can do what they want, just saying...
this car will be a "wingless GT3/RS" with the GT3 (or RS variant) engine and
a manual transmission, which would be built in limited numbers with a price
presumably north of $150-200k ... which all the 918 owners already have
1st dibs on ... essentially a 'repeat' of the Sports Classic!
However there was early speculation that this car would be a l/w special,
*not* a GT car, but an 'R' in the spirit of the Cayman R for example, perhaps
based on the 991 narrow body, and using the existing (N.A) engine (perhaps
the GT4 variant thereof)
we will have to wait and see if Porsche is building an 'R' for the masses or a
another 'Sport Classic'...
10-27-2015, 01:59 PM
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I think it all depends what the 'R' actually turns out to be; there is a LOT of speculation (and given the information on the web, I think its just that) that
this car will be a "wingless GT3/RS" with the GT3 (or RS variant) engine and
a manual transmission, which would be built in limited numbers with a price
presumably north of $150-200k ... which all the 918 owners already have
1st dibs on ... essentially a 'repeat' of the Sports Classic!
However there was early speculation that this car would be a l/w special,
*not* a GT car, but an 'R' in the spirit of the Cayman R for example, perhaps
based on the 991 narrow body, and using the existing (N.A) engine (perhaps
the GT4 variant thereof)
we will have to wait and see if Porsche is building an 'R' for the masses or a
another 'Sport Classic'...
this car will be a "wingless GT3/RS" with the GT3 (or RS variant) engine and
a manual transmission, which would be built in limited numbers with a price
presumably north of $150-200k ... which all the 918 owners already have
1st dibs on ... essentially a 'repeat' of the Sports Classic!
However there was early speculation that this car would be a l/w special,
*not* a GT car, but an 'R' in the spirit of the Cayman R for example, perhaps
based on the 991 narrow body, and using the existing (N.A) engine (perhaps
the GT4 variant thereof)
we will have to wait and see if Porsche is building an 'R' for the masses or a
another 'Sport Classic'...
I agree and have basically heard the same story.. I have heard directly from Porsche it WILL be a narrow body... Take that for what it's worth I suppose..
10-27-2015, 02:07 PM
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If the .2 turbos had not come along, I would have bet on this being a NB car with a 3.8L N.A engine and 7MT in it ... but I doubt they will continue/resurrect that engine now ... so I suppose that leans towards it being a GT3 engine, presumably with a ZF 7sp attached (which I imagine they had in the parts bin, from the earlier abandoned development of such for the GT3)
I'n not really sure that car will 'fly' though (actually I think it would in fact fly - because of the power and lack of aero)
only time will tell...