Am I crazy???
10-06-2015, 10:08 PM
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Am I crazy???
I love my 991 - it is a great car, capable of doing things far beyond my skills. Its so good that I can break every speed limit in the country in second gear and it covers for every ham fisted move I make while driving it in any condition.
Lately I have started thinking that maybe it would be a little more fun to have something that isn't quite as capable...maybe a little less power, less sophisticated computers, etc. I wouldnt be going as fast for sure, but it may make me work a little harder, and get the satisfaction from it.
It is seeming like a 964 is the sweet spot for me right now - still has creature comforts, and the prices arent insane like a 993. I am sure there are a lot of people here who had one - how does it compare to the 991? Am I going to be disappointed in some way that I am not thinking of yet?
Lately I have started thinking that maybe it would be a little more fun to have something that isn't quite as capable...maybe a little less power, less sophisticated computers, etc. I wouldnt be going as fast for sure, but it may make me work a little harder, and get the satisfaction from it.
It is seeming like a 964 is the sweet spot for me right now - still has creature comforts, and the prices arent insane like a 993. I am sure there are a lot of people here who had one - how does it compare to the 991? Am I going to be disappointed in some way that I am not thinking of yet?
10-07-2015, 12:46 AM
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Burning Brakes
If you don't want the electronic aids, turn them off. Just don't complain if you end up crashing it. The 991 chassis handles better than its predecessors, with or without electronic help. If your car has a three pedal manual, there's no reason to go back to prior generations when you can just flip a switch.
10-07-2015, 03:19 AM
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10-07-2015, 04:35 AM
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I guess..may be
10-07-2015, 07:29 AM
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I drove an '87 G50 coupe as my good weather DD for 7 years ('94 - '01) and just traded a '15 MX5 PRHT on a Boxster GTS order.
My thoughts:
1. I loved driving the '87, but those cars are now almost 30 years old. It was a little underpowered (IMO), though the point could easily be made I simply wasn't a good enough driver to use the power it had properly. That wasn't my biggest complaint - I drove it at or above 4000 RPM and it sounded great even though I rarely got to 3rd gear around town. Over 7 years and 40K miles, it never failed me with only routine maintenance. And I sold it back to the original owner for $3500 less than I paid for it! The WORST thing was the AC never blew really cold (much improved in the 993s). I hear the AC can be improved now (?), but that part was its worst "flaw" to me. And yes, no power steering (my car had manual door locks as well). The horror.
2. The MX5 was an outrageous amount of fun for any $, but especially for the money. Tons of fun to drive at the speed limit - like driving a big go-kart on the road. I felt like I could drive it anywhere - no one seemed to notice or care, which was a + to me. I'm going back to a Boxster because 1). The seats on the Miata aren't adjustable (width) and they are just a little too narrow for my frame. It was ok around town, but after an hour or so, it became uncomfortable to me. 2). My wife felt it was TOO much like a go-cart and when I heard "why don't you get another Boxster?", well, who am I to argue? And, 3). When I found a changeable BGTS allocation after the announcement of the end of the 3.4, my double dose of the "lose a lot of money on every car" gene kicked in. Anyone who turns their nose up at Miatas, IMO, either hasn't driven one or has such a frail ego they can't be seen driving the "wrong" emblem on the hood. It's a great, reliable, tons of fun car, especially for the money.
But neither is close to a 991.
My thoughts:
1. I loved driving the '87, but those cars are now almost 30 years old. It was a little underpowered (IMO), though the point could easily be made I simply wasn't a good enough driver to use the power it had properly. That wasn't my biggest complaint - I drove it at or above 4000 RPM and it sounded great even though I rarely got to 3rd gear around town. Over 7 years and 40K miles, it never failed me with only routine maintenance. And I sold it back to the original owner for $3500 less than I paid for it! The WORST thing was the AC never blew really cold (much improved in the 993s). I hear the AC can be improved now (?), but that part was its worst "flaw" to me. And yes, no power steering (my car had manual door locks as well). The horror.
2. The MX5 was an outrageous amount of fun for any $, but especially for the money. Tons of fun to drive at the speed limit - like driving a big go-kart on the road. I felt like I could drive it anywhere - no one seemed to notice or care, which was a + to me. I'm going back to a Boxster because 1). The seats on the Miata aren't adjustable (width) and they are just a little too narrow for my frame. It was ok around town, but after an hour or so, it became uncomfortable to me. 2). My wife felt it was TOO much like a go-cart and when I heard "why don't you get another Boxster?", well, who am I to argue? And, 3). When I found a changeable BGTS allocation after the announcement of the end of the 3.4, my double dose of the "lose a lot of money on every car" gene kicked in. Anyone who turns their nose up at Miatas, IMO, either hasn't driven one or has such a frail ego they can't be seen driving the "wrong" emblem on the hood. It's a great, reliable, tons of fun car, especially for the money.
But neither is close to a 991.
10-07-2015, 09:28 AM
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Pretty much what I have in mind. Its not that the 991 isnt engaging, its more that in order to get anywhere near its limits you have to be at ludicrous speeds
10-07-2015, 09:44 AM
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Burning Brakes
Get an Elise.
10-07-2015, 10:43 AM
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You just missed out on a great 993 (1996) for sale in the Vehicle Marketplace. Sold in about 6 hours. 101,000 miles. Mid $60's. You could have drove that car for a few years, and not lost a penny.
10-07-2015, 11:07 AM
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If you go back into a 964, or even a 993, here's what you will notice coming from a 991:
* Its small
* The build is primitive
* Its slow, very slow
* Its noisy - but that's not necessarily bad
* Lots of fun to drive
* Will absolutely bite you if you drive it hard and don't respect the old 911 handling
* A/C is marginal at best, radios are tin boxes.
The romance of these old cars is usually better than owning them. Old is Old.
* Its small
* The build is primitive
* Its slow, very slow
* Its noisy - but that's not necessarily bad
* Lots of fun to drive
* Will absolutely bite you if you drive it hard and don't respect the old 911 handling
* A/C is marginal at best, radios are tin boxes.
The romance of these old cars is usually better than owning them. Old is Old.
10-07-2015, 11:37 AM
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If you go back into a 964, or even a 993, here's what you will notice coming from a 991:
* Its small
* The build is primitive
* Its slow, very slow
* Its noisy - but that's not necessarily bad
* Lots of fun to drive
* Will absolutely bite you if you drive it hard and don't respect the old 911 handling
* A/C is marginal at best, radios are tin boxes.
The romance of these old cars is usually better than owning them. Old is Old.
* Its small
* The build is primitive
* Its slow, very slow
* Its noisy - but that's not necessarily bad
* Lots of fun to drive
* Will absolutely bite you if you drive it hard and don't respect the old 911 handling
* A/C is marginal at best, radios are tin boxes.
The romance of these old cars is usually better than owning them. Old is Old.
10-07-2015, 03:14 PM
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This is a great thread.
I too am considering a 13' 991 C2S or a minty 964, glad to see I'm not the only one.
I too am considering a 13' 991 C2S or a minty 964, glad to see I'm not the only one.