How will the 991.2 update effect used 991.1 prices?
09-09-2015, 12:06 AM
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And what year 599 would you say is at the bottom of the curve?
09-09-2015, 12:09 AM
#17
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How will the 991.2 update effect used 991.1 prices?
That 599 looks like a beautiful car. Was just looking at them.
Described as a front/mid engine? Engine behind the front axel?
Design wise, very attractive!
Described as a front/mid engine? Engine behind the front axel?
Design wise, very attractive!
09-09-2015, 09:52 AM
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How will the 991.2 update effect used 991.1 prices?
Originally Posted by LCW
Natural evolution of things.... It will depreciate! It's a car... Maybe one day it will be a classic, but for now it will depreciate faster because of the new model. The enthusiasts in here will tell you how they love the NA engine, etc... But there is only a limited number of enthusiasts and they all have a 991 already. So there is no incremental buyer that is going to hold up the values and to the average buyer the 991.1 is the "old" model.... Just my thought...
Nice try on the salesmen's part though.
09-09-2015, 10:26 AM
#20
I dunno, as an enthusiast, I see a ton of potential in a Turbo car. I mean the tuning potential will be much higher for a lot less money. You will very likely see 700+ Horsepower Bolt on 911 C2S's in 2-3 years. Also that 4WS, and updated bits and pieces like the navi unit etc it's very appealing.
If you think you are going to get a 700HP tune and bolt ons, you might want to see what the copyright office rules on tampering with ECU violations.
Google DMCA violations ECU. If they make it a felony there might not be any "tunes".
09-09-2015, 11:04 AM
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An updated PCM will be obsolete in a year.
If you think you are going to get a 700HP tune and bolt ons, you might want to see what the copyright office rules on tampering with ECU violations.
Google DMCA violations ECU. If they make it a felony there might not be any "tunes".
If you think you are going to get a 700HP tune and bolt ons, you might want to see what the copyright office rules on tampering with ECU violations.
Google DMCA violations ECU. If they make it a felony there might not be any "tunes".
09-09-2015, 11:11 AM
#22
OMG, its going to slash the 991.1 prices for a several reasons.
1) It has two TURBOS. What Porsche guy doesn't want a twin turbo back there?
2) The Boxster and Cayman won't have it.
3) The new Infotainment center alone is a big deal for techies
4) It has more power
5) The 991 is mass-produced, its not a rare car.
Now, in 30 years, yes - the 991.1 with a manual trans may well appreciate over the 25-year-old 991.2. Last of the Naturally Aspirated cars. Maybe. But in 30 years the only thing I'll be in is a coffin, so I don't much care....
1) It has two TURBOS. What Porsche guy doesn't want a twin turbo back there?
2) The Boxster and Cayman won't have it.
3) The new Infotainment center alone is a big deal for techies
4) It has more power
5) The 991 is mass-produced, its not a rare car.
Now, in 30 years, yes - the 991.1 with a manual trans may well appreciate over the 25-year-old 991.2. Last of the Naturally Aspirated cars. Maybe. But in 30 years the only thing I'll be in is a coffin, so I don't much care....
1. replace the rear badge with "turbo" if it's so important
2. what porsche guy wants a boxster or cayman?
3. do you need to be entertained while your driving a porsche?
4. yes it has 30 more HP of which 99.999% of porsche owners wouldnt know the difference if it had 100 more HP.
5. driving through seattle or **** cellphone bellevue you see them on every road everyday
09-09-2015, 11:25 AM
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OK, seriously . . ..
My sales rep told me they expect the NAs to retain their value and they aren't too concerned about carrying 991.1s into the new model year. The NAs give them something to sell against the .2s for those on the fence about forced induction Porsches. He already sold me a GTS so he is not trying to sell me.
You can game the system and wait for 991.1's on the lot to fall in price, which they probably will as the 991.2s come in, but then you will be left with the leftovers and wallflowers, and chances are you won't save all that much on a car you may not want all that much. If you see something you like now, go for it.
You always have the fallback of STG's Hot For Sale Pick of the Week thread. Not long after I took delivery of my ordered car, I saw almost the exact same build on that thread with less than 2K miles on it for $30K less than I paid for it.
It was a dark day indeed.
My sales rep told me they expect the NAs to retain their value and they aren't too concerned about carrying 991.1s into the new model year. The NAs give them something to sell against the .2s for those on the fence about forced induction Porsches. He already sold me a GTS so he is not trying to sell me.
You can game the system and wait for 991.1's on the lot to fall in price, which they probably will as the 991.2s come in, but then you will be left with the leftovers and wallflowers, and chances are you won't save all that much on a car you may not want all that much. If you see something you like now, go for it.
You always have the fallback of STG's Hot For Sale Pick of the Week thread. Not long after I took delivery of my ordered car, I saw almost the exact same build on that thread with less than 2K miles on it for $30K less than I paid for it.
It was a dark day indeed.
09-09-2015, 11:42 AM
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09-09-2015, 12:18 PM
#25
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How will the 991.2 update effect used 991.1 prices?
Originally Posted by Yard Dog
OK, seriously . . ..
My sales rep told me they expect the NAs to retain their value and they aren't too concerned about carrying 991.1s into the new model year. The NAs give them something to sell against the .2s for those on the fence about forced induction Porsches. He already sold me a GTS so he is not trying to sell me.
You can game the system and wait for 991.1's on the lot to fall in price, which they probably will as the 991.2s come in, but then you will be left with the leftovers and wallflowers, and chances are you won't save all that much on a car you may not want all that much. If you see something you like now, go for it.
You always have the fallback of STG's Hot For Sale Pick of the Week thread. Not long after I took delivery of my ordered car, I saw almost the exact same build on that thread with less than 2K miles on it for $30K less than I paid for it.
It was a dark day indeed.
My sales rep told me they expect the NAs to retain their value and they aren't too concerned about carrying 991.1s into the new model year. The NAs give them something to sell against the .2s for those on the fence about forced induction Porsches. He already sold me a GTS so he is not trying to sell me.
You can game the system and wait for 991.1's on the lot to fall in price, which they probably will as the 991.2s come in, but then you will be left with the leftovers and wallflowers, and chances are you won't save all that much on a car you may not want all that much. If you see something you like now, go for it.
You always have the fallback of STG's Hot For Sale Pick of the Week thread. Not long after I took delivery of my ordered car, I saw almost the exact same build on that thread with less than 2K miles on it for $30K less than I paid for it.
It was a dark day indeed.
They realize there is an NA fan base, and those cars will sell. Don't be surprised if there is zero discount on any lot GTS's once production has stopped on them.
Ask your dealer how many people he has on the 991.2 wait list? He'll probably tell you there is no list or can count the number of inquiries on his one hand. I've heard this multiple times.
Sorry about the "dark day"
09-09-2015, 01:30 PM
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How will the 991.2 update effect used 991.1 prices?
Originally Posted by trysixty
2. what porsche guy wants a boxster or cayman?
09-13-2015, 02:58 PM
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Wonder how long those dealers will hold on to those 991.1s after months of paying insurance/interest/depreciation. I find it hard to believe that they will get enough of a premium from an "NA" enthusiast to offset the benefit of selling them quickly.
And if one particular dealer decides to, others may not follow them. Did the same happen to the NA E92 M3 vs the TT F30 M3? I don't have hard data, but my impression is no.
And if one particular dealer decides to, others may not follow them. Did the same happen to the NA E92 M3 vs the TT F30 M3? I don't have hard data, but my impression is no.
09-13-2015, 09:51 PM
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Fishey are you sure about the the 991 engine having IMS issues ? I own a 2006 997 coupe and have had no problems but have thought about upgrading to the 991 as a more comfortable GT highway car and also I thought that the engine was a new design without the IMS problem Can someone answer my question does the 991 engine still have this potential issue
Thank you
Russ Dejulio
Pittsburgh PA
Thank you
Russ Dejulio
Pittsburgh PA