Current 2010 M3 owner in the dreaming/planning stage
06-02-2015, 09:33 AM
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Current 2010 M3 owner in the dreaming/planning stage
Hey Folks,
I just signed up for this forum because I'm seriously considering a 991.1 next year for my big 4-0.
I currently own a 2010 M3 sedan with less than 20k miles so I'm in no rush to upgrade. But I do have a few questions.
This may be too early but do you think this vehicle is well priced?: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=121667188527
How price negotiable are Porsche dealers on CPO or new vehicle. Are allocation/made to order vehicles similarly negotiable? I notice the mark up from invoice to MSRP is so much more than other vehicles.
Any thoughts on 4s vs 2s, given I live in the Delaware and get occasional snow and ice. The car will be a part time commuter car. Most of the time my commute is 4 miles roundtrip. Seldom 40 miles round trip. I do eventually want to do HDPE and track.
How drastic is the change from e90 M3 to 991?
Will the 991.2 affect used car pricing for the 991.1? I have a distain for turbos. I recently had a 2007 Mini Cooper S and the turbos died at 50k miles!
Thanks guys!
I just signed up for this forum because I'm seriously considering a 991.1 next year for my big 4-0.
I currently own a 2010 M3 sedan with less than 20k miles so I'm in no rush to upgrade. But I do have a few questions.
This may be too early but do you think this vehicle is well priced?: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=121667188527
How price negotiable are Porsche dealers on CPO or new vehicle. Are allocation/made to order vehicles similarly negotiable? I notice the mark up from invoice to MSRP is so much more than other vehicles.
Any thoughts on 4s vs 2s, given I live in the Delaware and get occasional snow and ice. The car will be a part time commuter car. Most of the time my commute is 4 miles roundtrip. Seldom 40 miles round trip. I do eventually want to do HDPE and track.
How drastic is the change from e90 M3 to 991?
Will the 991.2 affect used car pricing for the 991.1? I have a distain for turbos. I recently had a 2007 Mini Cooper S and the turbos died at 50k miles!
Thanks guys!
06-02-2015, 09:58 AM
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I just went from a 2011 E90 M3 to a 2014 C2S two weeks ago. The difference is incredible. Even though the M is a great car, it will feel "sloppy" compared to the 911. The change is VERY drastic. You feel like you are in a perfectly crafted machine behind the wheel of a 911. Besides all the mechanical differences, the updated interior is another huge step up from the M.
That's a well optioned car in the link you provided! You could probably get a very similar car for right under 100k if it didn't have the ceramic brakes. Mine is a 2014, 9k miles, pdk, aerokit, sports exhaust, and I paid right under 100k. I'm not an expert in pricing, but I don't think there is a whole lot of "wiggle room" as far as negotiating goes with these.
Turbo cars can be fun, but I love the sound you get from an NA engine. If you love the sound of that v8 in the M, you'll be missing something if you went with a turbo.
Good luck and happy hunting
That's a well optioned car in the link you provided! You could probably get a very similar car for right under 100k if it didn't have the ceramic brakes. Mine is a 2014, 9k miles, pdk, aerokit, sports exhaust, and I paid right under 100k. I'm not an expert in pricing, but I don't think there is a whole lot of "wiggle room" as far as negotiating goes with these.
Turbo cars can be fun, but I love the sound you get from an NA engine. If you love the sound of that v8 in the M, you'll be missing something if you went with a turbo.
Good luck and happy hunting
06-02-2015, 10:00 AM
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Hi!
We'd like to have you on board here in the future with your 991.
New Porsche 911's are priced at a premium. Big profit margins as well. The depreciation is also very high. Very great deals on preowned ones under 10K miles at 20-40K off sticker price. You just have to look to find one with the options that suit you.
Porsche has marketed the "build your own" model very well and a lot of buyers do just that for their dream car. It's a great thing, but the second hand market is a free market and that's where the deals are.
The car you posted is over priced.
Of course I'm biased, but a small resource on here for following the used market is this thread. A good gauge for preowned car values as well.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8636...l#post12327949
We'd like to have you on board here in the future with your 991.
New Porsche 911's are priced at a premium. Big profit margins as well. The depreciation is also very high. Very great deals on preowned ones under 10K miles at 20-40K off sticker price. You just have to look to find one with the options that suit you.
Porsche has marketed the "build your own" model very well and a lot of buyers do just that for their dream car. It's a great thing, but the second hand market is a free market and that's where the deals are.
The car you posted is over priced.
Of course I'm biased, but a small resource on here for following the used market is this thread. A good gauge for preowned car values as well.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8636...l#post12327949
06-02-2015, 10:17 AM
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Hi!
We'd like to have you on board here in the future with your 991.
New Porsche 911's are priced at a premium. Big profit margins as well. The depreciation is also very high. Very great deals on preowned ones under 10K miles at 20-40K off sticker price. You just have to look to find one with the options that suit you.
Porsche has marketed the "build your own" model very well and a lot of buyers do just that for their dream car. It's a great thing, but the second hand market is a free market and that's where the deals are.
The car you posted is over priced.
Of course I'm biased, but a small resource on here for following the used market is this thread. A good gauge for preowned car values as well.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8636...l#post12327949
We'd like to have you on board here in the future with your 991.
New Porsche 911's are priced at a premium. Big profit margins as well. The depreciation is also very high. Very great deals on preowned ones under 10K miles at 20-40K off sticker price. You just have to look to find one with the options that suit you.
Porsche has marketed the "build your own" model very well and a lot of buyers do just that for their dream car. It's a great thing, but the second hand market is a free market and that's where the deals are.
The car you posted is over priced.
Of course I'm biased, but a small resource on here for following the used market is this thread. A good gauge for preowned car values as well.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8636...l#post12327949
06-02-2015, 10:18 AM
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Hi!
We'd like to have you on board here in the future with your 991.
New Porsche 911's are priced at a premium. Big profit margins as well. The depreciation is also very high. Very great deals on preowned ones under 10K miles at 20-40K off sticker price. You just have to look to find one with the options that suit you.
Porsche has marketed the "build your own" model very well and a lot of buyers do just that for their dream car. It's a great thing, but the second hand market is a free market and that's where the deals are.
The car you posted is over priced.
Of course I'm biased, but a small resource on here for following the used market is this thread. A good gauge for preowned car values as well.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8636...l#post12327949
We'd like to have you on board here in the future with your 991.
New Porsche 911's are priced at a premium. Big profit margins as well. The depreciation is also very high. Very great deals on preowned ones under 10K miles at 20-40K off sticker price. You just have to look to find one with the options that suit you.
Porsche has marketed the "build your own" model very well and a lot of buyers do just that for their dream car. It's a great thing, but the second hand market is a free market and that's where the deals are.
The car you posted is over priced.
Of course I'm biased, but a small resource on here for following the used market is this thread. A good gauge for preowned car values as well.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8636...l#post12327949
I just went from a 2011 E90 M3 to a 2014 C2S two weeks ago. The difference is incredible. Even though the M is a great car, it will feel "sloppy" compared to the 911. The change is VERY drastic. You feel like you are in a perfectly crafted machine behind the wheel of a 911. Besides all the mechanical differences, the updated interior is another huge step up from the M.
That's a well optioned car in the link you provided! You could probably get a very similar car for right under 100k if it didn't have the ceramic brakes. Mine is a 2014, 9k miles, pdk, aerokit, sports exhaust, and I paid right under 100k. I'm not an expert in pricing, but I don't think there is a whole lot of "wiggle room" as far as negotiating goes with these.
Turbo cars can be fun, but I love the sound you get from an NA engine. If you love the sound of that v8 in the M, you'll be missing something if you went with a turbo.
Good luck and happy hunting
That's a well optioned car in the link you provided! You could probably get a very similar car for right under 100k if it didn't have the ceramic brakes. Mine is a 2014, 9k miles, pdk, aerokit, sports exhaust, and I paid right under 100k. I'm not an expert in pricing, but I don't think there is a whole lot of "wiggle room" as far as negotiating goes with these.
Turbo cars can be fun, but I love the sound you get from an NA engine. If you love the sound of that v8 in the M, you'll be missing something if you went with a turbo.
Good luck and happy hunting
06-02-2015, 11:11 AM
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I have been on that thread. I thought the one I posted looked good seeing it is 2014, 8k miles with PCCB, PSE, PDCC and manual. It also has no reported accidents. I am a little leery of being from non-Porsche dealers as this one was bought off auction. The dealer will probably have very little history on the vehicle.
I wouldn't pay more than 98K for that car.
I'd personally find a 2013 with a CPO and approx 5K miles, for mid 90's.
06-02-2015, 11:14 AM
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This beautiful car just sold for around 94K. Almost a 140K build. He's adding a CPO for $2,800 as well through a Porsche dealer.
No ceramics, but other options that have a better resale as well.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8693...900-miles.html
No ceramics, but other options that have a better resale as well.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8693...900-miles.html
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06-02-2015, 11:18 AM
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Price is close to me...5K in there somewhere especially if it ends up sitting on the lot for a bit. Manual is rare on what I have seen and ceramics...rare and $$ (to replace anyway). Well equipped car. A couple K off which is always in a for sale price or more on your trade and it should be just right. The car above was a 2013 not a 14 so a few dollars back there to the price. STG991 comments two posts up are accurate no doubt on the value of the options.
06-02-2015, 11:20 AM
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It's a great looking car. No CPO, and the depreciation on the PCCB's is very very high. On a trade, a dealer will pay zero extra for them. 100% depreciation on them. The PDCC is pretty much a worthless option too. I'd rather out my money elsewhere than on those options.
I wouldn't pay more than 98K for that car.
I'd personally find a 2013 with a CPO and approx 5K miles, for mid 90's.
I wouldn't pay more than 98K for that car.
I'd personally find a 2013 with a CPO and approx 5K miles, for mid 90's.
06-02-2015, 11:23 AM
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Serious track guys hate them, because if anything goes, it's very $$$$. And they do go on the track. Street driving only, they should last the life of the car.
06-02-2015, 11:27 AM
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Amen on the track aspect of ceramics...my R8GT has them and after 15 or so track days the rotors are good but the brake pads needed to be replaced... $3000 dollars later... tracking when consumables cost that much is a weeee bit of a bad idea.
06-02-2015, 11:28 AM
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There's over 10K in ceramics and PDCC in that car. A big chunk of change.
Alcantara steering wheel too? High wear item. Easily changed over though. No big deal.
A very nice car. Just won't sell for over 100K!
Alcantara steering wheel too? High wear item. Easily changed over though. No big deal.
A very nice car. Just won't sell for over 100K!
06-02-2015, 11:31 AM
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A nice looking clock on the dash
Dynamic engine mounts too. Worth it more on a PDK, but benefits the manual as well.
Checking out for now. Work calls!! Need to pay for this hobby somehow!