Current 2010 M3 owner in the dreaming/planning stage
06-02-2015, 08:11 PM
#31
The trick is letting my wife keep both. It would be great to have tweener car to slot between the Touareg and 911. 😜😜
I was in your position last September. I ended up trading my 2013 535iX Diesel on a 2104 C4S Loaded, but no Burmeister or Ceramics. The 535 is a large sedan, and I simply had no use for it anymore, so decided to keep my 2011 M3 ZCP Coupe. So now I have 2 white 2 door coupes - genius, but love both of them. The M3, IMHO, is a knife, but not just any knife, it remains a vey sharp purpose built knife - if you have ever used a Messermeister knife in your kitchen, you'll probably know what I am talking about. There really is no point in comparing these cars to each other, they are in the top of their class in their respective sectors, but completely different from one another.
I have read the threads on C2s vs. C4S on this forum, and the debate continues unabated. I could tell you that because I live at 7 600 feet and experience snow and ice for close to six months of the year that I opted for the C4S. Well I would be lying, because my C4S is garaged for the winter, for me the choice was simple, those hips. I was married to a skinny ballet dancer for over two decades, no hips or bottom, totally miserable.....now I am very fortunate to have someone with extraordinary hips and bottom, much like my C4S, the C2S is lovely but has a rear like Taylor Swift, whereas the C4S is Beyonce all the way.
Now I am sure that you have perhaps heard of a prenup, the CPO is your Porsche prenup and, IMHO, when buying used, is crucial, the Dealer will charge you $2k+ for it, but it's worth the cost to me when amortized over the 6 year CPO period.
So when do I need 4 wheel drive? Probably never, so I decided to test the beast. I drove up a dirt road mountain pass yesterday, the most atrocious conditions, sometimes I was crawling at < 5 mph at > 9 000 feet according to my trusty Suunto watch. I had the Torque screen on and my front wheels never had less than 30% of the power, so it seems that this all wheel drive is a useful option after all. (I apologize to all those offended by my driving this vehicle on a dirt road, I know that many here have suffered severe psychological trauma when incurring that first spoiler scrape on the speed bumps at the Whole Foods store parking lot).
In closing, would I have the ***** to say that I would actually know the difference on the track between the C2S and the C4S? No, I think not, I do not race for a living, yet I am able to enjoy this car immensely, as do I enjoy the M3, to this day. I have attached a photograph of my adventure yesterday!
I have read the threads on C2s vs. C4S on this forum, and the debate continues unabated. I could tell you that because I live at 7 600 feet and experience snow and ice for close to six months of the year that I opted for the C4S. Well I would be lying, because my C4S is garaged for the winter, for me the choice was simple, those hips. I was married to a skinny ballet dancer for over two decades, no hips or bottom, totally miserable.....now I am very fortunate to have someone with extraordinary hips and bottom, much like my C4S, the C2S is lovely but has a rear like Taylor Swift, whereas the C4S is Beyonce all the way.
Now I am sure that you have perhaps heard of a prenup, the CPO is your Porsche prenup and, IMHO, when buying used, is crucial, the Dealer will charge you $2k+ for it, but it's worth the cost to me when amortized over the 6 year CPO period.
So when do I need 4 wheel drive? Probably never, so I decided to test the beast. I drove up a dirt road mountain pass yesterday, the most atrocious conditions, sometimes I was crawling at < 5 mph at > 9 000 feet according to my trusty Suunto watch. I had the Torque screen on and my front wheels never had less than 30% of the power, so it seems that this all wheel drive is a useful option after all. (I apologize to all those offended by my driving this vehicle on a dirt road, I know that many here have suffered severe psychological trauma when incurring that first spoiler scrape on the speed bumps at the Whole Foods store parking lot).
In closing, would I have the ***** to say that I would actually know the difference on the track between the C2S and the C4S? No, I think not, I do not race for a living, yet I am able to enjoy this car immensely, as do I enjoy the M3, to this day. I have attached a photograph of my adventure yesterday!
06-02-2015, 08:51 PM
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I was in your position last September. I ended up trading my 2013 535iX Diesel on a 2104 C4S Loaded, but no Burmeister or Ceramics. The 535 is a large sedan, and I simply had no use for it anymore, so decided to keep my 2011 M3 ZCP Coupe. So now I have 2 white 2 door coupes - genius, but love both of them. The M3, IMHO, is a knife, but not just any knife, it remains a vey sharp purpose built knife - if you have ever used a Messermeister knife in your kitchen, you'll probably know what I am talking about. There really is no point in comparing these cars to each other, they are in the top of their class in their respective sectors, but completely different from one another.
I have read the threads on C2s vs. C4S on this forum, and the debate continues unabated. I could tell you that because I live at 7 600 feet and experience snow and ice for close to six months of the year that I opted for the C4S. Well I would be lying, because my C4S is garaged for the winter, for me the choice was simple, those hips. I was married to a skinny ballet dancer for over two decades, no hips or bottom, totally miserable.....now I am very fortunate to have someone with extraordinary hips and bottom, much like my C4S, the C2S is lovely but has a rear like Taylor Swift, whereas the C4S is Beyonce all the way.
Now I am sure that you have perhaps heard of a prenup, the CPO is your Porsche prenup and, IMHO, when buying used, is crucial, the Dealer will charge you $2k+ for it, but it's worth the cost to me when amortized over the 6 year CPO period.
So when do I need 4 wheel drive? Probably never, so I decided to test the beast. I drove up a dirt road mountain pass yesterday, the most atrocious conditions, sometimes I was crawling at < 5 mph at > 9 000 feet according to my trusty Suunto watch. I had the Torque screen on and my front wheels never had less than 30% of the power, so it seems that this all wheel drive is a useful option after all. (I apologize to all those offended by my driving this vehicle on a dirt road, I know that many here have suffered severe psychological trauma when incurring that first spoiler scrape on the speed bumps at the Whole Foods store parking lot).
In closing, would I have the ***** to say that I would actually know the difference on the track between the C2S and the C4S? No, I think not, I do not race for a living, yet I am able to enjoy this car immensely, as do I enjoy the M3, to this day. I have attached a photograph of my adventure yesterday!
I have read the threads on C2s vs. C4S on this forum, and the debate continues unabated. I could tell you that because I live at 7 600 feet and experience snow and ice for close to six months of the year that I opted for the C4S. Well I would be lying, because my C4S is garaged for the winter, for me the choice was simple, those hips. I was married to a skinny ballet dancer for over two decades, no hips or bottom, totally miserable.....now I am very fortunate to have someone with extraordinary hips and bottom, much like my C4S, the C2S is lovely but has a rear like Taylor Swift, whereas the C4S is Beyonce all the way.
Now I am sure that you have perhaps heard of a prenup, the CPO is your Porsche prenup and, IMHO, when buying used, is crucial, the Dealer will charge you $2k+ for it, but it's worth the cost to me when amortized over the 6 year CPO period.
So when do I need 4 wheel drive? Probably never, so I decided to test the beast. I drove up a dirt road mountain pass yesterday, the most atrocious conditions, sometimes I was crawling at < 5 mph at > 9 000 feet according to my trusty Suunto watch. I had the Torque screen on and my front wheels never had less than 30% of the power, so it seems that this all wheel drive is a useful option after all. (I apologize to all those offended by my driving this vehicle on a dirt road, I know that many here have suffered severe psychological trauma when incurring that first spoiler scrape on the speed bumps at the Whole Foods store parking lot).
In closing, would I have the ***** to say that I would actually know the difference on the track between the C2S and the C4S? No, I think not, I do not race for a living, yet I am able to enjoy this car immensely, as do I enjoy the M3, to this day. I have attached a photograph of my adventure yesterday!
06-02-2015, 11:06 PM
#33
btw, 991 turbo prices are dropping quickly now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=231567610448
06-04-2015, 01:24 PM
#35
Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't spark the lease vs buy debate but Porsche has "excellent" short term leases. Excellent in this case does not mean anything like BMW but very good for a custom six figure car build. 30 months @ 70% residual w/ a roughly 4.8% rate means $120k+ car for about the same monthly payment as a loan on a used $90k car.
Lots of emotion on this topic here, so not arguing one over the other... Just over simplifying: if you are a monthly cash flow guy, family budget wise, you could build & lease your perfect Porsche for about the same price as owning someone else's used dream (again... Speaking out of pocket monthly cost).
Lots of emotion on this topic here, so not arguing one over the other... Just over simplifying: if you are a monthly cash flow guy, family budget wise, you could build & lease your perfect Porsche for about the same price as owning someone else's used dream (again... Speaking out of pocket monthly cost).
06-04-2015, 01:39 PM
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I also have an E92 M3 and I'm considering a 991 GTS. Seems like such a great car. It will force me to buy a second car however as i have 2 small children. This is the dilemma i'm struggling with as the M3 is a great all around car.
06-04-2015, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael15
I would also think the Burmiester audio upgrade depreciates fairly quickly and near 100%? Its not cheap...
Having the "base" stereo is very hard on resale. You need to at least have the Bose at a minimum.
There are some bad choices in lack of options and color combinations that make resale very difficult sometimes.
06-04-2015, 03:37 PM
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I may have a unique perspective on this. I had a 2012 M3 and loved it. I had a 2015 M4 and loved it. But it was totaled, couldn't find another M4 optioned as I wanted, so I bought a 2013 C2S. Keep in mind, I loved the M cars--they are fabulous machines.
But the Porsche is so much better. I'm not going to get into "knife vs. scalpel" analysis, I will just say it is a far better sports car, in every way. It's prettier, it's sexier, it sounds far better, it's faster, it handles much better, it gets far more attention, build quality (fit and finish) is better. The only advantage of the M4 was storage--I could get golf clubs in it. And it was less expensive. The 991 C2S is really special.
But the Porsche is so much better. I'm not going to get into "knife vs. scalpel" analysis, I will just say it is a far better sports car, in every way. It's prettier, it's sexier, it sounds far better, it's faster, it handles much better, it gets far more attention, build quality (fit and finish) is better. The only advantage of the M4 was storage--I could get golf clubs in it. And it was less expensive. The 991 C2S is really special.
06-04-2015, 04:32 PM
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I may have a unique perspective on this. I had a 2012 M3 and loved it. I had a 2015 M4 and loved it. But it was totaled, couldn't find another M4 optioned as I wanted, so I bought a 2013 C2S. Keep in mind, I loved the M cars--they are fabulous machines.
But the Porsche is so much better. I'm not going to get into "knife vs. scalpel" analysis, I will just say it is a far better sports car, in every way. It's prettier, it's sexier, it sounds far better, it's faster, it handles much better, it gets far more attention, build quality (fit and finish) is better. The only advantage of the M4 was storage--I could get golf clubs in it. And it was less expensive. The 991 C2S is really special.
But the Porsche is so much better. I'm not going to get into "knife vs. scalpel" analysis, I will just say it is a far better sports car, in every way. It's prettier, it's sexier, it sounds far better, it's faster, it handles much better, it gets far more attention, build quality (fit and finish) is better. The only advantage of the M4 was storage--I could get golf clubs in it. And it was less expensive. The 991 C2S is really special.
06-05-2015, 08:49 PM
#42
I've just made the jump into a 991 C4 from an E90 M3 -- I was having some serious doubts on my way to pick up the 911 as I just adore the M3, but after a week with the new C4 I can reassure you that I have no regrets.
This is my first Porsche and I am very impressed -- Just about very aspect of the car is an improvement, especially the manual gearbox which is the absolute best I've ever had the pleasure of using. Practicality is a bit less, but the driving experience more than makes up for it.
You won't be disappointed with the move to a 911.
This is my first Porsche and I am very impressed -- Just about very aspect of the car is an improvement, especially the manual gearbox which is the absolute best I've ever had the pleasure of using. Practicality is a bit less, but the driving experience more than makes up for it.
You won't be disappointed with the move to a 911.
06-05-2015, 08:53 PM
#43
www.youtube.com/watch?v=scXXhmknySA
06-06-2015, 09:44 AM
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In 2006, I made the step up from a BMW M3 to my first 911. After a nanosecond, I completely forgot about the BMW. The 911 is a much more agile machine that is the true definitition of The Ultimate Driving Machine...