Crosspost from 6speed: New Information on upcoming 991 Facelift
11-05-2014, 12:37 PM
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Crosspost from 6speed: New Information on upcoming 991 Facelift
Today's mail delivered issue #23 (10/30/2014) of the German car magazine, auto motor und sport. On page 12 the following information on the 991 facelift is reported:
The facelift will be premiered at the 2015 IAA in Frankfurt. Deliveries will start late that year as 2016 model-year cars.
The naturally aspirated engines in the Carrera and CS will be replaced by turbocharged ones, still six cylinders but with smaller displacements. Both engines will gain 15 hp. (No information on torque, which should be considerably higher than that of current engines -- at a sacrifice in engine response). Cayman and Boxters will become available with turbocharged 4-cylinder engines next year even before the 2015 IAA. These will become available for the 911 at the 2018 model change.
The only reason for these changes is the need for Porsche to meet ever-tighter future fuel efficiency and CO2 regulations.
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The facelift will be premiered at the 2015 IAA in Frankfurt. Deliveries will start late that year as 2016 model-year cars.
The naturally aspirated engines in the Carrera and CS will be replaced by turbocharged ones, still six cylinders but with smaller displacements. Both engines will gain 15 hp. (No information on torque, which should be considerably higher than that of current engines -- at a sacrifice in engine response). Cayman and Boxters will become available with turbocharged 4-cylinder engines next year even before the 2015 IAA. These will become available for the 911 at the 2018 model change.
The only reason for these changes is the need for Porsche to meet ever-tighter future fuel efficiency and CO2 regulations.
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11-05-2014, 12:41 PM
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Today's mail delivered issue #23 (10/30/2014) of the German car magazine, auto motor und sport. On page 12 the following information on the 991 facelift is reported:
The facelift will be premiered at the 2015 IAA in Frankfurt. Deliveries will start late that year as 2016 model-year cars.
The naturally aspirated engines in the Carrera and CS will be replaced by turbocharged ones, still six cylinders but with smaller displacements. Both engines will gain 15 hp. (No information on torque, which should be considerably higher than that of current engines -- at a sacrifice in engine response). Cayman and Boxters will become available with turbocharged 4-cylinder engines next year even before the 2015 IAA. These will become available for the 911 at the 2018 model change.
The only reason for these changes is the need for Porsche to meet ever-tighter future fuel efficiency and CO2 regulations.
HansGT2 - 6speedonline
The facelift will be premiered at the 2015 IAA in Frankfurt. Deliveries will start late that year as 2016 model-year cars.
The naturally aspirated engines in the Carrera and CS will be replaced by turbocharged ones, still six cylinders but with smaller displacements. Both engines will gain 15 hp. (No information on torque, which should be considerably higher than that of current engines -- at a sacrifice in engine response). Cayman and Boxters will become available with turbocharged 4-cylinder engines next year even before the 2015 IAA. These will become available for the 911 at the 2018 model change.
The only reason for these changes is the need for Porsche to meet ever-tighter future fuel efficiency and CO2 regulations.
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11-05-2014, 12:45 PM
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[QUOTE=CommonProject;11780424]Today's mail delivered issue #23 (10/30/2014) of the German car magazine, auto motor und sport. On page 12 the following information on the 991 facelift is reported:
AMS is my favorite car mag of all time. How did you get this? Do you subscribe to this mag? Info sounds credible...
Tks/Cheers,
BB
AMS is my favorite car mag of all time. How did you get this? Do you subscribe to this mag? Info sounds credible...
Tks/Cheers,
BB
11-05-2014, 02:24 PM
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its a rose by any other name I think, its not really important if its a 991.2 facelift or a 992 is it?
It does mean if you want an N.A 911 ... its a 991 or nothing...
I wonder if they will dispense with the manual tranny in these cars also?
It does mean if you want an N.A 911 ... its a 991 or nothing...
I wonder if they will dispense with the manual tranny in these cars also?
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11-05-2014, 02:36 PM
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2017 is the year when all manufacturers must meet the new fuel and CO2 regulations in the US. If the car is expected in late 2015 in Europe that means late Spring 2016 for North America. Porsche did not have the luxury of waiting for the new 2018 model to change their engines.
In the end this should make for a better car. Turbo lag has been solved and the turbos will give the 991 much needed increased toque. Look for a faster, lighter more powerful car in the near future. What's not to like.
In the end this should make for a better car. Turbo lag has been solved and the turbos will give the 991 much needed increased toque. Look for a faster, lighter more powerful car in the near future. What's not to like.
11-05-2014, 02:39 PM
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2017 is the year when all manufacturers must meet the new fuel and CO2 regulations in the US. If the car is expected in late 2015 in Europe that means late Spring 2016 for North America. Porsche did not have the luxury of waiting for the new 2018 model to change their engines.
In the end this should make for a better car. Turbo lag has been solved and the turbos will give the 991 much needed increased toque. Look for a faster, lighter more powerful car in the near future. What's not to like.
In the end this should make for a better car. Turbo lag has been solved and the turbos will give the 991 much needed increased toque. Look for a faster, lighter more powerful car in the near future. What's not to like.
11-05-2014, 03:03 PM
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11-05-2014, 03:27 PM
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15-hp increase sounds more plausible than the previous wild rumors. But only 15-hp?
But my main concern is the sound of this new turbocharged engine. It will sound good for a turbo, but it will never sound as sweet as the current flat-six. Sound is an important factor in the total experience.
But my main concern is the sound of this new turbocharged engine. It will sound good for a turbo, but it will never sound as sweet as the current flat-six. Sound is an important factor in the total experience.
11-05-2014, 03:58 PM
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This finally sounds like legit information. 15hp bump sounds in line with Porsche's past mid-cycle refreshes.
11-05-2014, 04:40 PM
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Turbo is horrible news IMO.
What's going to happen with the actual 911 Turbo? What about the GT2? GT2RS?
What will the difference be between a 911 Carrera Turbo and a 911 Turbo? Besides the 100K difference... If the Carrera S Turbo will have the same displacement like the 911 Turbo,just a different tune and a few different parts,what tells me that I won't be able to buy the Carrera S Turbo,put an aftermarket tune and a few bits and pieces from the 911 Turbo,spend 10K and achieve the same performance as the guy that had just spent 200K?
What's going to happen with the actual 911 Turbo? What about the GT2? GT2RS?
What will the difference be between a 911 Carrera Turbo and a 911 Turbo? Besides the 100K difference... If the Carrera S Turbo will have the same displacement like the 911 Turbo,just a different tune and a few different parts,what tells me that I won't be able to buy the Carrera S Turbo,put an aftermarket tune and a few bits and pieces from the 911 Turbo,spend 10K and achieve the same performance as the guy that had just spent 200K?
