If it is a lightened up S RWD, with more hp, even just the power kit, and MT, I'm in.

 

If its like every GTS ever offered, it will be a 991, RWD, S with select wheels, 4S hips, an up rated engine (the x-51 kit most likely), choice of stick or PDK, and the opportunity to buy other options you want. The altered body, a standard higher HP engine (and likely greater HP options) will be on the 991.2- to follow. Then there will be a year's worth of angst and debate about which is better.

 

This is true no doubt.

If history tells us anything it's a most clever way of getting more money out of saps like us.

 

I actually think the Porsche "special edition" cars can be pretty good deals. I had a Boxter S RS60 Spyder - essentially a great leather interior optioned, lowered, GT Silver, best suspension, sport exhaust model that was less than a "custom order" for the same goodies. Likewise the last 997 GTS- a very sweet car,even if confronted with a new generation model, which the next one won't be. As far as I'm concerned getting a great 911 is never sappy.

 

Uh... Won't you have to read the answer to your question?

 

True Jack but I don't think anyone really knows for sure what they are for so I'll just keep looking at the pictures.

 

Actually this is a really good topic to talk about in itself.

When I was shopping for my 991 I was oh so very tempted at a loaded 12 GTS 997 that was brand new at the same dealer i bought my 991 from. I knew the laminated window sticker said 408 hp and my 991 only read 400 but these numbers when so close together don't really mean much. And you are correct. They really wanted to unload that baby with centerlock wheels and all the bells and whistles. Coulda had it for well under $100k. It was sooo tempting. Personally, I still lean towards the 997 on the beauty scale when comparing it to a 991 but for what I needed my car for the 991 was the way to go for me.

 

I agree with you, and I think 0.1 sec faster to 60 is probably accurate. I meant that 30hp doesn't always translate to massive performance gains. And I state that to underline when the price for that increase is a good value?

 

I agree delving into Porsche model introductions and pricing is interesting. At the time it came out the GTS was a very good deal in the way it was equipped. Priced on options alone it was a good deal, and that was before factoring in whatever value you place on having the wider 4S body. I don't really care for the wanna-be track look. And the real surprise was the wheel hop I was able to induce on a short test drive. But for those who like the black alcantara and want the track look without the track performance it would be hard to beat.

But then a few months later Porsche did in fact beat it. All to death. Because the 991 came out, with more of everything (even probably hp which numbers almost certainly massaged for marketing) and while it did cost more it came with options priced about $7k greater than the price increase. In other words an even better deal in spite of the price increase. And as with the GTS, this is all before factoring in an all-new chassis, etc, etc.

I do really wonder though about the odds of seeing a 991 GTS so soon. As I recall the GTS came out not prior to 997.2 but only just before release of the 991. If the pattern holds then the next GTS will be a few years out. Which makes Eduardo's scenario of rear axle steering, etc a lot more likely.

 

hilarious...

 

How does the mid cycle refresh work? Do all 911 models get updated at the same time? That would suck for the owners of models that only recently came out, like the targa or turbo.

 

Ah.. let me explain this better...

991 Carrera & Carrera S Coupe... Pretty girls, the kind you marry.
991 Carrera & Carrera S Cabriolet .. Pretty girls, the kind you date.
991 4 & 4S versions of the above.. Same as the above but a little more advanced in their years with bigger bottoms.
991 50th Anniversary.. A gracefully aged pretty girl, one who managed to stay hot despite the bigger bottom and the years.
991 Targa 4 & 4S .. drag queens.
991 Turbo & TurboS .. butch women.
991.2 Carrera, GTS, Turbo .. drag queens and butch women.
991 GT3.. Figment of your imagination.

So, in summation... those with targa and /or turbo already have their drag queens and butch women.. the 991.2 does not offer much more...

Nothing wrong with what you prefer...

 

Yea, I hear you.

Like headlamp, taillight and bumper cover minor cosmetic changes. Then a few under the hood oh so minor performance or driveability improvements meant for journalists to talk about. We've seen a few pictures leaked already. Don't know if they are accurate but fun to talk about.
That usually suffices for most automakers and bragging rights between model year owners. At the end of the day 98% of joe public can't tell the difference between a 993, 997 or 991 anyway let alone the difference between a 2013 and 2014 991 headlamp LED pattern.

 

You need to get out more! I don't know that 98% of Joe public can identify ANY Porsche! Most people, when they see chuck911 assume I'm an EMT or something. Or saying "nine-eleven" assume you have segued into terrorism. A few have said "oh isn't that the square one, real flat and low?" No, that would be the 914. Even of the remaining 2%, try telling them how prior to 1999 all 911's were air cooled, after that came the water cooled 996, but the 996 is still a 911, and watch their eyes glaze over. Once in a while you get one able to recall the 996 headlights funny shape and you think aha they're getting it. But about that time they say something makes you realize they're thinking of the Boxster.

But then again in fairness I don't know that I could tell you exactly what changed from 997.1 to .2. Heck I'm not even so sure I could reliably differentiate all of rpilots categories. Some of those trannies, its hard telling PDK from Manual, if you know what I mean.

 

LOL Chuck,



You never disappoint !

I'm that 43 year old guy that still has cheaply framed posters of late 70's 911 SC's and 911 Turbos in his garage that I've kept since I was 9 years old.

The other day while stopped at the light I complimented a 60 something fellow in his convertible 930 Turbo. I couldn't tell you exactly what year it was but boy was it pretty. The guy looked at me and barely got out of his mouth, "That's a nice 911 also."