1st trak day - what do i need to know
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From: You Don't Mess with the Zohan
http://virnow.com/track/calendar/ its Ferrari Club (F) on 3/10-11
sponsored my my dealer http://www.foreigncarsitalia.com/ also will test drive some Ferraris
sponsored my my dealer http://www.foreigncarsitalia.com/ also will test drive some Ferraris
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Okay well after the initial shock of Ferrari (?!?) wore off I checked around and found this manual Ferrari uses for their track events. http://www.ferrariclubofamerica.org/...uly%202013.pdf Not quite up there with PCA, but honestly very similar. The policies of novices getting classroom instruction, running in a novice run group with an instructor in the car until you get signed off to solo, passing only on the straight and with hand signal and so on are exactly the same. But, really, Ferrari?
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my 911 took about 100 days to come it. I went in to the dealership every few weeks and my sales guy let me test out all the Porsches, Maserati granturismo, F430 and GTR. You really have to see the floor it this outfit... Like a museum of auto art.
Yes, really Ferarri
We'l,l I did take him out to gun renege for machine gun experience
Yes, really Ferarri
We'l,l I did take him out to gun renege for machine gun experience
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Fascinating. My very first Driver Ed with PCA the registration lady I was helping started telling me all about the people in the different car clubs. Didn't know quite what to make of it at the time, but over the years its turned out she had a pretty good handle on it. And one of the things she said, those Ferrari guys, they like their guns. Too funny.
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Cars and guns go together like peanut butter and jelly. Both are machines that put a smile on your face every and make you feel like you got extras set of *****
To be honest I am really surprised that no one commented on my mp5k - only about 6000 units in civilian hands and in all likelihood this number will never go up.
To be honest I am really surprised that no one commented on my mp5k - only about 6000 units in civilian hands and in all likelihood this number will never go up.
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I recall a racing instructor once told me that there were two kinds of track drivers. Those that have hit the wall and those that will hit the wall.
1. Make sure you have a good body guy.
2. You might want to check with your insurance co. beforehand to make sure you are covered for any misfortunes on the trak, or at least, be aware that you're not.
1. Make sure you have a good body guy.
2. You might want to check with your insurance co. beforehand to make sure you are covered for any misfortunes on the trak, or at least, be aware that you're not.
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Cars and guns go together like peanut butter and jelly. Both are machines that put a smile on your face every and make you feel like you got extras set of *****
To be honest I am really surprised that no one commented on my mp5k - only about 6000 units in civilian hands and in all likelihood this number will never go up.
To be honest I am really surprised that no one commented on my mp5k - only about 6000 units in civilian hands and in all likelihood this number will never go up.
anyway, I'm one of those who follows recommended break-in procedure...always surprises me a bit when people take their cars to the track so soon, although intellectually I understand the car is built for it. Saw a guy on the Turbo thread that took his new Turbo S straight from the dealer to the track. (apologies to all.. I don't intend for this to start another Break-in debate!)
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From: You Don't Mess with the Zohan
I'm one of those who follows recommended break-in procedure...always surprises me a bit when people take their cars to the track so soon, although intellectually I understand the car is built for it. Saw a guy on the Turbo thread that took his new Turbo S straight from the dealer to the track. (apologies to all.. I don't intend for this to start another Break-in debate!)
Break in is 2000mi under 4000rpm? It is extremely difficult for me to keep this in mind at all times when this car is just bagging to let the engine scream.
I think I was introduced to 911 at Detroit auto show back in 1993 (I was in my first year of college)where I picked up a copy of a yellow 993 that was hanging on my wall for yeas. it was love at first sight. I cold have gotten the car as early as 10y ago but was was disciplined enough till I could truly afford it. So now after 20 some yrs of waiting I have to keep it under 4k rpm? So I did brake 4k barrier a few times, would not you? I am set on enjoying it every day rain or shine... well not snow but I did try
I really want to the track to see what the car can do and learn a few things about driving. I even took a day off from work.
What would u do to keep the car as healthy as possible and go to the track?
Why is heat-cycling and how do you doit?
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Many here will tell you that you should not be concerned with keeping the revs down for break-in, and that tires and brakes are consumables not to worry about it and go for it.
Here is another view. If you luck into an instructor who knows 911s and in particular 991s, you will get your eyes opened and your car will not (have to) go above 4000 rpm. Well ok, you may have PSE and then there is an obvious need. But...
Your car is geared to approach and go faster through most race track corners at speeds that will put you in the weeds or tire walls every time. You are going to have to slow before going through corners. To learn how to go faster through any of them - and to get on the gas earlier coming out- you don't need to be at redline in any gear anywhere. Any 991 is capable of scrubbing off speed without locking up, and turning into a corner faster and with less fuss (e.g. understeer scrubbing) than most other cars and prior generation 911s. If you focus on learning the optimal line, being consistent about car placement, smooth braking (early, mid or late depending on the corner and what follows) and smooth early throttle application, you can reach surprising speeds and not wear anything unduly the first few times you go to the track.
Smooth is fast and the 991 is capable of going so fast so smooth it is astounding. With any luck it might even rain and you can learn in a day what it would take several dry sessions to learn.
Here is another view. If you luck into an instructor who knows 911s and in particular 991s, you will get your eyes opened and your car will not (have to) go above 4000 rpm. Well ok, you may have PSE and then there is an obvious need. But...
Your car is geared to approach and go faster through most race track corners at speeds that will put you in the weeds or tire walls every time. You are going to have to slow before going through corners. To learn how to go faster through any of them - and to get on the gas earlier coming out- you don't need to be at redline in any gear anywhere. Any 991 is capable of scrubbing off speed without locking up, and turning into a corner faster and with less fuss (e.g. understeer scrubbing) than most other cars and prior generation 911s. If you focus on learning the optimal line, being consistent about car placement, smooth braking (early, mid or late depending on the corner and what follows) and smooth early throttle application, you can reach surprising speeds and not wear anything unduly the first few times you go to the track.
Smooth is fast and the 991 is capable of going so fast so smooth it is astounding. With any luck it might even rain and you can learn in a day what it would take several dry sessions to learn.
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http://www.pca.org/activities/drivereducation/tips.aspx
Those were the days. Now it takes a whole day to pack and I still end up forgetting something.
Have fun and don't sweat the small stuff.
Those were the days. Now it takes a whole day to pack and I still end up forgetting something.
Have fun and don't sweat the small stuff.
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This Tire Rack article explains it in detail. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=66
Main points: it only applies to brand new tires, and is especially important for tires that will be used very hard on the track. Its possible to destroy a brand new set of tires in a single day with hard use when they may have lasted 3 to 5 times as long with heat cycling. Heat cycling is nothing more than driving around enough to warm the tires and then letting them rest for at least a day. (The article goes into great detail but really, drive enough to warm em up and you're good.) It really doesn't apply to normal street use because a) they won't be used hard enough to matter and b) they'll essentially be cycled just by normal driving/parking cycles anyway.
Main points: it only applies to brand new tires, and is especially important for tires that will be used very hard on the track. Its possible to destroy a brand new set of tires in a single day with hard use when they may have lasted 3 to 5 times as long with heat cycling. Heat cycling is nothing more than driving around enough to warm the tires and then letting them rest for at least a day. (The article goes into great detail but really, drive enough to warm em up and you're good.) It really doesn't apply to normal street use because a) they won't be used hard enough to matter and b) they'll essentially be cycled just by normal driving/parking cycles anyway.
