008

We'll post some pics! I was also told this wasn't possible. I was also told that it wasn't possible to leave the sprayed on sound insulation off the car either. Guess it's who you ask and/or know. Is it possible to do a black interior with deviating seat color only without getting full leather? That's how I'd like the red interior ideally.

Sonnen Porsche

Need to order full leather to get it....
Contrast Stitch and White dials....

008

^That's the best looking "red" interior I've ever seen on a Porsche. Very nicely done!

Sonnen Porsche

Thanks!

Rhodium Silver S Coupe:

http://sonnen-porsche.ebizautos.com/...-11310919.html


Basalt Black S Cab:

http://sonnen-porsche.ebizautos.com/...-11208207.html

Tacet-Conundrum

Should have put a Power Pack on it while they were at it - that would have taken it into post MOD Turbo Territory. Just leave some of the Leather adornments out of the picture would have helped.

Suzy991

Very nice Brett! You did a perfect job there! You're actually the first one I see on a P-car forum that gets it right!

Many make the mistake to go with a red interior as the base and add black parts. That way you'll end up with red plastic parts on a black dash if one doesn't go for option CZW.

Suzy (via iOS app)

Sonnen Porsche

Thanks Suzy!

mtbscott

Kudos plus on the interior. The "all red" with doors, console, steering wheel, etc is just to much. The ones you spec'ed have just the right amount.

sfo

I would prefer the rear center console in black .. in red, it looks out of place and clashes with the front centre console

Z356

Brett: That is an interesting way to get 'around' the problem that a proper dual tone 'Black/Carrera Red' is not offered officially by Porsche to most of its 991 customers. But it's innovative and quite brilliant, so kudos to you for these two custom orders!

For those of you that are not as familiar with the ins & outs of the 'Black/Red' interior possibilities, let me explain in greater detail. When the 991 first came out, Porsche didn't offer a proper & official dual tone 'Black/Carrera Red' interior leather option. At first the dual tones were limited to 'Agate/Pebble' and 'Black/Platinum'. Later on they added 'Black/Luxor Beige'. And recently 'Espresso/Cognac' became an option on all 991's as well. But 'Black/Carrera Red' Dual Tone remained missing from the option list until just recently, when it was offered on new 911 Turbo S. It is, however, not offered as a 'Dual Tone' color package on any other 911 model, including the expensive base Turbo model!

Early on, creative Porsche dealers tried to create their own combination of 'Black/Carrera Red' in their custom orders of 991's. They initially chose to request, at a cost, a 'deviating color' (e.g. Black) on the dash in an otherwise full leather 'Carrera Red' interior vehicle. This was the optical disaster that Suzy alludes to in her last post, with the plastic trim pieces in the dash still in 'Carrera Red' but with the leather dash in black! (see first & second photo attached below). Before Porsche set up a dual tone 'Black/Luxor Beige' option, dealers were also experimenting with their own custom 'Black/Luxor Beige' combinations, with similar disastrous results! (third photo attached).

Now, with the available 'Black/Luxor Beige' dual option, you get a black dash with proper dash trim in black, top part of door panels in black and top part of rear side panels in black too. The dash, and other black top panels in door and rear are done in deviating stitching of 'Luxor Beige'. And you then have a wonderful & proper dual tone interior, with deviating stitching in key visible parts! And all for $430 more than your basic, dull all 'Black' full leather interior! That is it. Just a $430 additional cost for all of that, including the deviating stitching!

Photos #4 to #8 below are of what Porsche would have done for you had they provided a proper dual tone 'Black/Carrera Red' interior on a 991. This is a no cost option on the expensive Turbo S. It apparently includes leather on the back of the seats, which is not normally included in any other normal 'dual tone' offering. But you get the drift. It would include the deviating stitching on the black leather portions of the interior - dash, top of doors and rear panels. Since it has a component which is Natural/Special leather (the 'Carrera Red' portions), Porsche might feel the need to charge more than the $430 cost of the 'Black/Luxor Beige', 'Black/Platinum' or 'Agate/Pebble'. But it would probably cost less than the $1940 for the optional 'Espresso/Cognac'. Frankly, I am surprised they only charge $1500 for Brett's deviating Carrera Red seats, front & rear, which are done in the more expensive 'Natural/Special' leather.

Here is what Brett has done which is so interesting. Unlike the dealers that order the interiors of the first two photos ('Carrera Red' interior with deviating dash in 'Black' Leather), he has ordered a full 'Black' Leather interior with deviating seats in 'Carrera Red' leather! Lets take the 2014 Rhodium coupe example he mentions in his recent post. For the seats in deviating 'Carrera Red' leather Porsche charged only $1500! For the deviating red stitching on the dash, he was charged $390. For the deviating red stitching on the top of the doors, an extra $390. For the deviating stitching at the top of rear side panels, another extra $390. He has other options in this vehicle, but for the purpose of comparison with the standard 'dual tone' package, let's stop there. In his custom 'Black/Carrera Red' interior, Brett's vehicle doesn't have a contrasting 'Carrera Red' panels in the doors, rear panels or center console area as you would normally find in a proper 'dual tone' package like the one in the attached photos. The look he achieves, however, is attractive and might appeal to those that do not mind less 'Carrera Red', rather than more as found in the dual tone Porsche package! If you like the official dual tone look better, Porsche might even allow you to order deviating bottom door panels and rear panels in 'Carrera Red'. But imagine the total cost to achieve what it normally its offered for just $430 extra in most of its other dual tone packages!

Bottom line: Brett's custom order is innovative...but expensive. The four deviating items on his coupe order are $2670! If Porsche would have instead offered a reasonably priced dual tone Black/Carrera Red', it's cost might be $1000, or perhaps even less, closer to the $430 it asks for its attractive dual tone 'Black/Luxor Beige'!

Saludos,
Eduardo

PS (a) Another saving in Brett's spec is that he doesn't pay nearly $800 extra for having to order deviating color on his carpet. On a Black leather interior, that comes automatically in 'Black'. If you order a 'Carrera Red' interior, the carpet comes automatically in 'Carrera Red'. However, in the 'dual tone' 'Black/Carrera Red' package for the Turbo S, Porsche wisely throws the 'Black' carpet into the program as standard. Logic would follow then that should Porsche offer this dual tone combo on regular 991's at some future date, the carpet would be 'black' at no extra cost to those ordering this dual tone combo!

PS (b) Like Suzy implied in her last post, one way to overcome the 'red colored plastic trim' on a deviating black leather dash on a Carrera Red full leather interior is to order 'CZW' in 'Black Leather'. However, remember this adds an additional $1710 to the cost (which does not include the additional cost of adding a dash in deviating black leather to your order in the first place!). The point in all of this discussion is that Porsche could make 'Black/Carrera Red' much simpler to all of its customers that find this a very attractive & practical (less glare on the windshield) interior combination. And Porsche could offer this combo as a standard dual tone, with deviating stitching and contrasting color panels, for a very realistic price too! Let's hope they do so in the .2 991 mid-model change coming up!

PS (c) By the way, Brett, Porsche owes you a credit of $1100 on the Rhodium car. They charged you for option 24891 in the coupe, but not on the cabriolet (see last attachment). Neither vehicle's seats have deviating stitching. So the charge is redundant. Call Sascha and get a refund! And pass the savings along to the buyer of that beautiful Rhodium coupe!

Suzy991

Z356... You really know all the interior details, just like me. A walking catalog! We have the same mental disorder. I like that! LOL!

The difference is that you have a lot more experience and you know how to write it down in a good way. (You're lucky you don't have to translate it to english!) hahaha.

Good job! Again! Love reading your thread about the interiors. Learned a lot from that.

Suzy (via iOS app)

008

If the seats are deviating from black to red, maybe they charge you extra to get red stiching on the red seats otherwise it would be black with a black interior that has a deviating seat color. So the red stiching is actually a deviating color from the original black interior. Clear as mud really.

Only Porsche could charge extra for that...

008

I thought the interior was perfect, then after reading your post all I can see is the contrast of the consoles! As long as the new buyer doesn't read this he'll be perfectly happy with his car, ignorant of the fact that the rear console should have been black all along.

Jerry991

I would love to be the second owner of the Mexico Blue coupe as I certainly won't be able to afford it when its new.

Sonnen Porsche

Don't forget that I can also do the inserts as well guys which looks sweet also: