Light optioned 911
Racer
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From: suburban Chicago
I started out looking at Caymans. The non-S, even for a guy like me who isn't horse power crazed, was a little lacking. I ended up getting a 991 as I got swayed by the larger, nicer interior, the looks of the car, etc.
I got a C2 Cab, which I love. If I had designed a new one, i was going to get Bose, 7 MT, glass s/r, sport steering wheel and heated seats. That's it. The Cab I got has plenty more options: Sports Chrono, PASM, leather interior, 20" wheels, heated and ventilated seats, 14 way seats. I will admit that I like virtually all of those options, but wouldn't have paid for them if I were designing a car.
I was just going to stick with the standard seats and agree that most of us just tweak the settings once, so having electric motors isn't necessary. But I believe the 14 way seats are a lot different and better than the standard ones, so that has to be considered as well.
I think the poster who basically suggested that the only reason one gets a 911 vs. a Cayman/Boxster is to impress the neighbors is a bit over the top. But, hey, what do I care what someone I don't know on a forum decides is his view of the world? ;-)
I got a C2 Cab, which I love. If I had designed a new one, i was going to get Bose, 7 MT, glass s/r, sport steering wheel and heated seats. That's it. The Cab I got has plenty more options: Sports Chrono, PASM, leather interior, 20" wheels, heated and ventilated seats, 14 way seats. I will admit that I like virtually all of those options, but wouldn't have paid for them if I were designing a car.
I was just going to stick with the standard seats and agree that most of us just tweak the settings once, so having electric motors isn't necessary. But I believe the 14 way seats are a lot different and better than the standard ones, so that has to be considered as well.
I think the poster who basically suggested that the only reason one gets a 911 vs. a Cayman/Boxster is to impress the neighbors is a bit over the top. But, hey, what do I care what someone I don't know on a forum decides is his view of the world? ;-)
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I like strippers (all kinds) If it adds weight and/or doesn't add performance, no-go for me with my sports cars. I have a loaded daily driver for cushy luxury. If a DD I'd add comfort options too. My GT3 is a 0 option car with some deletes.
Three Wheelin'
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From: Europe
It's not that a base 991 has a bad engine... The problem IMO is that it has not much advantages compared to the much cheaper Cayman S. If one can get over the fact it's not a 911 (which is not that easy... I know all about it. The 911 simply is THE Porsche), than the Cayman S (or Boxster S) is a superb alternative for less money.
I personally would never ever buy a base 991 (also never a base 981 BTW...), I would always go for an S-version.
Of course this is all a matter of personal preference, but I think both base versions of the 981 and 991 shouldn't exist at all... The S-versions should be the base versions (for base price of course).
I personally would never ever buy a base 991 (also never a base 981 BTW...), I would always go for an S-version.
Of course this is all a matter of personal preference, but I think both base versions of the 981 and 991 shouldn't exist at all... The S-versions should be the base versions (for base price of course).
As long as I can afford a C2, I am not downgrading to a Cayman S ! I want a CAR, not a toy. I had a toy before, Boxster S, been there, done that, not my thing in retrospect.
As for the S, I would never buy it as to me it has virtually no added value to the C2. Lineup in my mind is, C2/C4, GT3, Turbo. C2/C4 being the best daily 911 to date, GT3 being the best pure 911 to date, Turbo being the torque and hp monster. Those 3 combined cater to almost everyone's taste !
The rest is just clever marketing and customer cash draining.
YMMV
Burning Brakes
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Three Wheelin'
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From: Pennsylvania
The problem is that we all have purchased the Porsche version which suits our needs and or our wallet. These threads claiming that a C2s is superior to a C2 or a better value make as much sense to a person who selected that car because it suits him as saying up is better than left.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Midwest
It's not that a base 991 has a bad engine... The problem IMO is that it has not much advantages compared to the much cheaper Cayman S. If one can get over the fact it's not a 911 (which is not that easy... I know all about it. The 911 simply is THE Porsche), than the Cayman S (or Boxster S) is a superb alternative for less money.
I personally would never ever buy a base 991 (also never a base 981 BTW...), I would always go for an S-version.
Of course this is all a matter of personal preference, but I think both base versions of the 981 and 991 shouldn't exist at all... The S-versions should be the base versions (for base price of course).
Suzy (via iOS app)
I personally would never ever buy a base 991 (also never a base 981 BTW...), I would always go for an S-version.
Of course this is all a matter of personal preference, but I think both base versions of the 981 and 991 shouldn't exist at all... The S-versions should be the base versions (for base price of course).
Suzy (via iOS app)
As to the second part of what you said, while it would be awesome if we could get the S model for no additional charge
I think we all know that's not happening anytime soon. The base Carerra is still an awesome car and the base Cayman fills a niche as well, although it is a little anemic for the price IMO. The Carerra S is IMHO a major upgrade though.And I totally understand your desire to rent a Boxster over a Carerra to drive around somewhere fun. Boxsters are IMO extremely under appreciated. I don't really care about convertibles, but it was one of the most enjoyable ones I've ever driven or been in. I'm sure Switzerland has some pretty epic places to get the most out of one too.
Burning Brakes
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From: Switzerland
First of all the GT3 is a different animal. It's a car, suited for people that do a lot of trackdays and don't use the car on a daily base. People that don't track a GT3 are just posers... (Just my opinion, no offends)
Comparing Cayman and 991 is also not completely apples and apples of course, but they are a closer match than a 991 Carrera and a GT3 in terms of usabillity.
Second, I don't know the Belgium price, but over here in Switzerland the GT3 is CHF49000 ($53000 or €39000) more expensive than a C2S.... Price difference between the C2 and C2S is CHF18000 ($20000 or €14500).
When you consider the standard features on the C2S that are optional on the C2, the real price difference is CHF11000 ($12000 or €8900).
I'm not saying that the base 991 is a bad car. Not at all! It's a great car! My point just is that the base 991 should be the S, without a choice between base or S. This would make the gap between 981 and 991 bigger... As big as the difference in pricetag is.
FYI: Price difference between Cayman S and base 991 is CHF35000 ($38000 or €28500).
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Three Wheelin'
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My P. is not a daily driver, so that indeed can change perspective. For a C2S with sensible options - so not ticked all boxes and kitted out complety Suzy style ;-) - you are looking at spending 125-130K EURO ! GT3 is 140K EUR. As a non DD, I'm not having a C2S if I can get the best 911 ever for about 10K more !
So in my use case it would be silly to get an S.
So in my use case it would be silly to get an S.
First of all the GT3 is a different animal. It's a car, suited for people that do a lot of trackdays and don't use the car on a daily base. People that don't track a GT3 are just posers... (Just my opinion, no offends)
Comparing Cayman and 991 is also not completely apples and apples of course, but they are a closer match than a 991 Carrera and a GT3 in terms of usabillity.
Second, I don't know the Belgium price, but over here in Switzerland the GT3 is CHF49000 ($53000 or €39000) more expensive than a C2S.... Price difference between the C2 and C2S is CHF18000 ($20000 or €14500).
When you consider the standard features on the C2S that are optional on the C2, the real price difference is CHF11000 ($12000 or €8900).
I'm not saying that the base 991 is a bad car. Not at all! It's a great car! My point just is that the base 991 should be the S, without a choice between base or S. This would make the gap between 981 and 991 bigger... As big as the difference in pricetag is.
FYI: Price difference between Cayman S and base 991 is CHF35000 ($38000 or €28500).
Suzy (via iOS app)
Comparing Cayman and 991 is also not completely apples and apples of course, but they are a closer match than a 991 Carrera and a GT3 in terms of usabillity.
Second, I don't know the Belgium price, but over here in Switzerland the GT3 is CHF49000 ($53000 or €39000) more expensive than a C2S.... Price difference between the C2 and C2S is CHF18000 ($20000 or €14500).
When you consider the standard features on the C2S that are optional on the C2, the real price difference is CHF11000 ($12000 or €8900).
I'm not saying that the base 991 is a bad car. Not at all! It's a great car! My point just is that the base 991 should be the S, without a choice between base or S. This would make the gap between 981 and 991 bigger... As big as the difference in pricetag is.
FYI: Price difference between Cayman S and base 991 is CHF35000 ($38000 or €28500).
Suzy (via iOS app)
Three Wheelin'
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I'm with Suzy on this one. The C2S starts with a great car and makes it better. The S has upgraded engine,brakes, wheels, tires and suspension. It is just plain better without making any compromises. The GT3 is an awesome car but on the road there ARE compromises. No back seat, no sunroof,no upgrade stereo, loud ALL the time, much bumpier etc etc. the GT3 is amazing....I'm just not willing to give up all the comfort/convenience for the extra performance that I'll never use. You can argue that a non-S also has more performance than you will ever use but for the extra money the S gives me more and I give up nothing but $. If you can afford an S it's a better car in every way. Period. The GT3 is not for everybody......especially this 56 year old who never visits the track.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Mar 2013
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From: Switzerland
My P. is not a daily driver, so that indeed can change perspective. For a C2S with sensible options - so not ticked all boxes and kitted out complety Suzy style ;-) - you are looking at spending 125-130K EURO ! GT3 is 140K EUR. As a non DD, I'm not having a C2S if I can get the best 911 ever for about 10K more ! So in my use case it would be silly to get an S.
The GT3 is cheaper than I expected in Belgium. It seems that it also depends on which country one lives. I don't get the whole pricing strategy regarding the GT3 to be honest.
In the Netherlands for example, the GT3 is priced in between the Turbo and Turbo S at EUR 195k That's insane! A C2 is EUR 110k and a C2S is EUR 127k (real differrence is about EUR 10k)
If the GT3 is the best 911, is arguably though. I think the TT(S) is better... (Again that stupid S!)
Ow and regarding a daily driver.... The base 991 still is a better daily driver than a Cayman S, so I get the point why one would choose a base 991 over a Cayman S.
But like I said earlier, I would prefer only one engine in the 991 and 981. No S, just a 911 Carrera and a 911 Carrera 4 with the 400hp 3.8 engine. Want S? Get a powerkit.
Same for the 981.. Only with that 3.4 engine and give it 325hp and a 25hp powerkit for people that want something extra. The chassis can easily handle it.
No base 2.7 engine. That's a pathetic engine in that car.
On the other hand... I also understand why Porsche does it like this... They think make more profit this way, although they probably would make equal profit in either way.
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