Is break-in or run-in really required?
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You know all this break-in time for the USA tickles me pink because of the test-drive cars they, Porsche, uses at the Zentrum. From the second you get in it they tell you to drive it like you stole it.
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Just picked up my new 991 C2 last evening, amazing car!
Took it to the service center this morning to remove the speed warning (in UAE it is mandated by law) and had a nice long chat with the service manager. Very nice guy, Porsche fanatic.
Down to the subject, which really confused me after reading numerous posts. According to him and he has a lot of experience, there is absolutely no need to drive the car in a certain way for 2000 miles.
He mentioned that the tolerances on the new engines (2008+) are extremely small and the manufacturing process will not allow the parts to run into each other.
He also mentioned that the engine is cold run on the dyno for 30min and hot run on the bench for 4-5h prior to installing it on the car.
And then there is final test before the car leaves the factory.
So in total, it equates to a run-in of 300km before the car leaves the factory.
Also there is no need to change the oil after 2000 miles, however I will do a sample check just to make sure there are no metal residues.
What do you guys think?
Took it to the service center this morning to remove the speed warning (in UAE it is mandated by law) and had a nice long chat with the service manager. Very nice guy, Porsche fanatic.
Down to the subject, which really confused me after reading numerous posts. According to him and he has a lot of experience, there is absolutely no need to drive the car in a certain way for 2000 miles.
He mentioned that the tolerances on the new engines (2008+) are extremely small and the manufacturing process will not allow the parts to run into each other.
He also mentioned that the engine is cold run on the dyno for 30min and hot run on the bench for 4-5h prior to installing it on the car.
And then there is final test before the car leaves the factory.
So in total, it equates to a run-in of 300km before the car leaves the factory.
Also there is no need to change the oil after 2000 miles, however I will do a sample check just to make sure there are no metal residues.
What do you guys think?
This will enable you to confidently discount of 99.9% of everything you will encounter in the way of "advice".
Next best thing, google around, searching for and studying articles along the lines of http://www.machinerylubrication.com/...ng-lubrication and, if you're really into it, http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs....010173.001153
Bear in mind those are just two examples, taken almost at random. What I'm talking about here is basically, every time you read some claim or opinion, to check it out. If someone claims break-in is necessary in order for parts to "wear-in", then you must really think about what that means and research it in terms of lubrication, the mechanics of polishing, and so on. To take but one example.
That's what I did, and the conclusions I came to are pretty surprising: proper break-in really is important, it consists of thorough warm-up followed immediately by repeated full throttle full range loads (ideally, take it on the track), and that the window of opportunity for effective break-in is only around the first 20-200 miles.
If your car is past 200 miles and you haven't been giving it full throttle every chance you get, well I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Lots of people have bought into the baby it story, and their cars aren't exactly littering the roadways. But if you're still in the window then by all means make the most of it.
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This comes in contradiction with the general view on how the break-in procedure should be done.
Which is exactly my point in starting topic...
I am not sure why there is no official response from Porsche on this, the manual explanation is very vague especially for those who would want to follow the process by the book.
Which is exactly my point in starting topic...
I am not sure why there is no official response from Porsche on this, the manual explanation is very vague especially for those who would want to follow the process by the book.
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This comes in contradiction with the general view on how the break-in procedure should be done.
Which is exactly my point in starting topic...
I am not sure why there is no official response from Porsche on this, the manual explanation is very vague especially for those who would want to follow the process by the book.
Which is exactly my point in starting topic...
I am not sure why there is no official response from Porsche on this, the manual explanation is very vague especially for those who would want to follow the process by the book.
1) stay below 4,200 RPM for about 2,200 miles
2) don't lug the engine
3) vary your speed and RPM's on long road trips
4) don't jam on the brakes right out of the box
5) let the tires scrub in for a couple hundred miles
Something like that.
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I buy cars and just drive them. I'm not concerned about anyone but the drivers around me on the road. If I can afford a car I will do whatever I want with it and sort out any issues afterwards. And I say this with a grin on my face.
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Did a Euro delivery on a C4S this spring. I asked the delivery tech people at Porsche about break in and they only suggested that you vary the throttle in the first few hundred KM.
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My 2014 C2 still isn't coming in for another 3 weeks +/- ....ugh, the waiting! I think Break- in is especially an issue for us first time Porsche owners who aren't as familiar with Porsche engines etc.
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http://yel.pca.org/porsche-engine-break-in/
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My car feels stiff, and it hesitates a bit. Asked the service manager, he said it's normal till about 1500 miles. Then it will "loosen up", oil and fuel consumption will go down. And the driving experience will dramatically improve.
Has anyone felt a difference in performance after 2000 miles?
Has anyone felt a difference in performance after 2000 miles?
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My car feels stiff, and it hesitates a bit. Asked the service manager, he said it's normal till about 1500 miles. Then it will "loosen up", oil and fuel consumption will go down. And the driving experience will dramatically improve.
Has anyone felt a difference in performance after 2000 miles?
Has anyone felt a difference in performance after 2000 miles?
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This comes in contradiction with the general view on how the break-in procedure should be done.
Which is exactly my point in starting topic...
I am not sure why there is no official response from Porsche on this, the manual explanation is very vague especially for those who would want to follow the process by the book.
Which is exactly my point in starting topic...
I am not sure why there is no official response from Porsche on this, the manual explanation is very vague especially for those who would want to follow the process by the book.
On the other hand, there are perfectly good reasons why Porsche might want to stick to their "don't open it up" advice, especially in the US market. The US is a highly litigious country, with absurdly slow speed limits (nowhere near as absurd as Canada, but still...) drivers who're real motor vehicle operators with no real driving skills, and a nanny state mentality that has everyone in thrall to the idea that we're supposed to be protected from ourselves. (Don't stand as high as you can on the ladder, etc). No. The last thing you will ever hear from Porsche is that their break-in bunk is a lot of, well, bunk. And meanwhile, all their endurance racing teams will continue doing what they've always done, which of course is to ignore the sacred factory advice with abandon.
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There are plenty of "official" responses from Porsche- at least that is if by "official" we include official Porsche employees like for example Andreas Prueninger. As I recall he made the ridiculous (sorry, but it truly is) statement that you should increase your break-in limit by 1000 rpm per 500 miles.