So you think it's just a bumper job, huh?
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So you think it's just a bumper job, huh?
Whats up everyone,
I thought this would help some Listers, A lot of people are left stranded looking for a trustworthy body shop to take their precious cars. I wanted to post this thread to show the damage that can be caused from a simple rear end impact.
A customer came in for "Just a bumper Job" (his words) with some minor damage to his rear bumper on his BRAND NEW 2013 Porsche 911 :bawling:
Let's take a look at this bumper job.
Here is what pulled up...
(Damage to the Right of License Plate)
This is going to be easy right?...
Step one is to remove the bumper and check for additional damage...
This is what we found.
Impact bar has been smashed in like a Pepsi can...
So we further remove the bar and heat shields etc...
after proper stripping we realized the frame had damage... :yikes:
This being an aluminum frame Porsche requires replacement, which requires removal of engine... Let the fun begin...
Once the engine was removed we further inspected the frame and found some of the welds were beginning to separate.
Once the insurance company came out to see the additional surprises they approved and we continued to remove and replace the frame
We put the car on our Frame machine made by CAR BENCH (which is the same frame machines that Porsche Prototypes their cars with) this ensures that the car is aligned to factory specs down to the Millimeter (we also have Celette Benches)!
With the car on Jigs and the old frame out of the way we installed the new frame. (hard to see because the frame comes black)
Here you can see the Betamate seeping thru(ultra high strength glue) That bonds the frame.
Now that the frame is back in place we had the motor put back in
Time for reassembly!!
Yes... we started it like this. Yes it was loud as ****!
Out with the old and In with the new!
All the new parts on the way in.
Once reassembled and tightened up, we send it to Porsche to have them clear all the codes, Align the wheels, and quality check. (Porsche dealer must do this to not void warranty) Once the car is back in our hands we send it thru our wash/detail department
Walked in on her in the shower...
And now look at that rear end!!!!!
A whole lot of work for "Just a bumper Job"
So Wherever you are located here's some tips to get a proper repair on your Porsche 991 or whatever you drive.
Check YELP wherever you are.
Make sure the shop is actually doing the work that is on the estimate :read:
Have good insurance (IF YOU WANT OEM PARTS, READ YOUR CONTRACT!!):read:
And for you lucky Listers that happen to be in Southern California - Los Angeles.
If ever you are in a situation where you need some body work feel free to contact me
We take pride in our yelp reviews (see them for yourself)
http://www.yelp.com/biz/collision-co...nt-los-angeles
http://www.collisionbodyshop.com/
We are a Porsche Approved Collision Center (one of only a few in the country), as well as "Mercedes Certified" "Audi Approved" and "BMW trained." So basically very Renn-friendly.
Feel Free to call or email me with any questions regarding repairs or if you need an estimate in Los Angeles.
Sam
Office: 310.280.6000
Cell: 310.745.9373 (Call/text)
sam@collisionbodyshop.com
I thought this would help some Listers, A lot of people are left stranded looking for a trustworthy body shop to take their precious cars. I wanted to post this thread to show the damage that can be caused from a simple rear end impact.
A customer came in for "Just a bumper Job" (his words) with some minor damage to his rear bumper on his BRAND NEW 2013 Porsche 911 :bawling:
Let's take a look at this bumper job.
Here is what pulled up...
(Damage to the Right of License Plate)
This is going to be easy right?...
Step one is to remove the bumper and check for additional damage...
This is what we found.
Impact bar has been smashed in like a Pepsi can...
So we further remove the bar and heat shields etc...
after proper stripping we realized the frame had damage... :yikes:
This being an aluminum frame Porsche requires replacement, which requires removal of engine... Let the fun begin...
Once the engine was removed we further inspected the frame and found some of the welds were beginning to separate.
Once the insurance company came out to see the additional surprises they approved and we continued to remove and replace the frame
We put the car on our Frame machine made by CAR BENCH (which is the same frame machines that Porsche Prototypes their cars with) this ensures that the car is aligned to factory specs down to the Millimeter (we also have Celette Benches)!
With the car on Jigs and the old frame out of the way we installed the new frame. (hard to see because the frame comes black)
Here you can see the Betamate seeping thru(ultra high strength glue) That bonds the frame.
Now that the frame is back in place we had the motor put back in
Time for reassembly!!
Yes... we started it like this. Yes it was loud as ****!
Out with the old and In with the new!
All the new parts on the way in.
Once reassembled and tightened up, we send it to Porsche to have them clear all the codes, Align the wheels, and quality check. (Porsche dealer must do this to not void warranty) Once the car is back in our hands we send it thru our wash/detail department
Walked in on her in the shower...
And now look at that rear end!!!!!
A whole lot of work for "Just a bumper Job"
So Wherever you are located here's some tips to get a proper repair on your Porsche 991 or whatever you drive.
Check YELP wherever you are.
Make sure the shop is actually doing the work that is on the estimate :read:
Have good insurance (IF YOU WANT OEM PARTS, READ YOUR CONTRACT!!):read:
And for you lucky Listers that happen to be in Southern California - Los Angeles.
If ever you are in a situation where you need some body work feel free to contact me
We take pride in our yelp reviews (see them for yourself)
http://www.yelp.com/biz/collision-co...nt-los-angeles
http://www.collisionbodyshop.com/
We are a Porsche Approved Collision Center (one of only a few in the country), as well as "Mercedes Certified" "Audi Approved" and "BMW trained." So basically very Renn-friendly.
Feel Free to call or email me with any questions regarding repairs or if you need an estimate in Los Angeles.
Sam
Office: 310.280.6000
Cell: 310.745.9373 (Call/text)
sam@collisionbodyshop.com
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Washing the car with a spray nozzle? Yikes! Loved everything else about your post though.
Last edited by 991Dreamer; 06-07-2013 at 08:26 PM. Reason: Additional comment
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Interesting to see the new car get a cut-n-shut. It would be useful to see more photos and details on how the rear sub-frame is attached, how it all gets jigged and tested. I assume this didn't change any of the chassis measurements at all, just the rear. This would be a car approved for new warranty and CPO afterwards. Presumably you checked the tub all the way to the back of the headlights for further transferred stress. Given those stamp welds were sheered, it must have been a pretty hefty thump at very low speed (no airbags.)
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Interesting to see the new car get a cut-n-shut. It would be useful to see more photos and details on how the rear sub-frame is attached, how it all gets jigged and tested. I assume this didn't change any of the chassis measurements at all, just the rear. This would be a car approved for new warranty and CPO afterwards. Presumably you checked the tub all the way to the back of the headlights for further transferred stress. Given those stamp welds were sheered, it must have been a pretty hefty thump at very low speed (no airbags.)
Thanks for all the comments.
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That's for sharing. Care to share which insurance company's are easiest to work with in these situations?
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Wow. Very interesting. Hopefully I never have to use your facility, but it's good to see the work you do is so thorough.
Could you share what the approximate cost of a repair like that was? Even if it is just a range. Kinda curious/nosy.
Could you share what the approximate cost of a repair like that was? Even if it is just a range. Kinda curious/nosy.
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Nice job, never would know that the hidden damage was that large! what was the ballpark figure for repair? parts vs labor? Did the adjuster look like this?? I bet you looked at him and
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Wow. Great work. Thanks for sharing.
What was the total cost to the insurance company? How long for the repairs, start to finish? Thanks.
What was the total cost to the insurance company? How long for the repairs, start to finish? Thanks.
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Sam:
This story is REALLY scary!
Kind of like reading about guys who have just scratched the engine case on their BMW K1600GT/L. $25k-30k motorbikes and the insurance has totaled them.
Secondly, my curiousity is about how you guys get your training to just jump in (seemingly) and pull body parts, drop an engine and replace a frame on a new car.....??
This story is REALLY scary!
Kind of like reading about guys who have just scratched the engine case on their BMW K1600GT/L. $25k-30k motorbikes and the insurance has totaled them.
Secondly, my curiousity is about how you guys get your training to just jump in (seemingly) and pull body parts, drop an engine and replace a frame on a new car.....??
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what the heck is wrong with using a spray nozzle to wash a car? dealer lots use pressure washers and a shockingly low volume of clean rags. after watching a new car pulled apart a wash up would be the least of my concerns.. I for one will pull my policy and read up on replacement parts. Sound like porsche standards to maintain warranties would work in our favor.