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Old 12-26-2012, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by simsgw
The PDK Cars do not have a flywheel. That answered the question I had entertained, but it also shows how far they are going now to increase efficiency. Lower rotating mass is very important, but achieving smoothness without that customary stabilizing mass is a serious challenge.

They have met it, but it must have been the subject of some serious design studies several years ago.

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Now that is impressive. Not all that long ago the Carrera GT was SOTA and easily stalled due to the lightweight (and small diameter) flywheel. Now no flywheel at all and smooth as can be. Probably able to lighten the crank as well.
Old 12-26-2012, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by simsgw
Makes me wonder whether we might see two types of induction distinguished for marketing purposes. TwinTurboBallsToTheWall (TTBTTW) turbos for the next gen Turbo model, and simple ForcedInductionButHardlyWorthMentioning (FIBHWM) for the Carreras. Oh, excuse me, that should be PTTBTTW and PFIBHWM. Ahem.
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The marketing will be challenging. Your options might be TTies or TTTies. Special leather and deviated stitching are just, um, preliminaries...
Old 12-26-2012, 02:17 PM
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Yes the PDK never had a flywheel. See photo below showing the 997.2 double pack clutches and no flywheel.


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Old 12-26-2012, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fbroen
SiNi, I wait until oil temp is up to normal operating temp before really punching it, but I suspect I am overly cautious there.
If that's overly cautious, then count me as being in the same club.
Old 12-26-2012, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike in CA
If that's overly cautious, then count me as being in the same club.
Not over cautious, but smart.
Old 12-27-2012, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by fbroen
Thx Gary, very interesting.

SiNi, I wait until oil temp is up to normal operating temp before really punching it, but I suspect I am overly cautious there.
I do too. My daily commute is 7 miles. So depending on traffic, and assuming outside temp around 5C, by the time I get to work the oil temp is just about reading on the analogue gauge which starts at about 60C.

Under normal running the oil temp is usually about 95-105 C. So even at 60C I assume the engine is still quite cold and should be driven cautiously until full temp is reached.

Is this too cautious?
Old 12-27-2012, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SiNi
Originally Posted by fbroen
Thx Gary, very interesting.

SiNi, I wait until oil temp is up to normal operating temp before really punching it, but I suspect I am overly cautious there.
I do too. My daily commute is 7 miles. So depending on traffic, and assuming outside temp around 5C, by the time I get to work the oil temp is just about reading on the analogue gauge which starts at about 60C.

Under normal running the oil temp is usually about 95-105 C. So even at 60C I assume the engine is still quite cold and should be driven cautiously until full temp is reached.

Is this too cautious?
nope. I wait till oil is at least at 175 which is around 80C before starting to getting on it

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Old 12-27-2012, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ADias
Not over cautious, but smart.
right and not just w/ Porsches
Old 12-27-2012, 01:32 PM
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I also noticed too the oil consumption of my 991 is much less than my previous 997.2. I broke in both cars in the same way, did some spirit driving and varying the engine RPM in the first 2K miles.
Old 12-28-2012, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckbdc
I don't know the details but recall that Porsche literature pointed out that major advances were made in thermal management on the new engine. Something about internal coolant routing and underbody shrouding. I think emissions reduction of meeting requirements is a big part of it.
Porsche has definitely been talking up the thermal management, but the reality is that it is just a system that prevents the radiator from getting coolant when the car is warming up, then using that heated up coolant to warm the tranny and the cat faster. It basically speeds up the engine warm up time (which is a very good thing) but really only makes a difference in the first 10 miles of driving.
Old 12-28-2012, 06:34 PM
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What about the different oil running temps between normal and sport modes?
Old 12-28-2012, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by arena-RTR
Porsche has definitely been talking up the thermal management, but the reality is that it is just a system that prevents the radiator from getting coolant when the car is warming up, then using that heated up coolant to warm the tranny and the cat faster. It basically speeds up the engine warm up time (which is a very good thing) but really only makes a difference in the first 10 miles of driving.
Over in 6speedonline, someone offered that the latest engines are also more dynamically controlling coolant and lubricating fluid temps via auxiliary coolers. If so they have moved pretty far forward from "just" IMHO.
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Originally Posted by chuckbdc
Over in 6speedonline, someone offered that the latest engines are also more dynamically controlling coolant and lubricating fluid temps via auxiliary coolers. If so they have moved pretty far forward from "just" IMHO.
Also, the process described by Arena implies coolant flow by computer at several choke points. Not rocket science, obviously, but definitely a step up from ye olde rusty thermostat we used to remove in Summer to get the last bit of flow moving.

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Just how many 991 parameters are computer controlled?

Its getting to be like my math stat prof said the first day of class, "Picture an N dimension space".

(Awaiting a post arguing about the one I just pictured).
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Originally Posted by chuckbdc
Just how many 991 parameters are computer controlled?

Its getting to be like my math stat prof said the first day of class, "Picture an N dimension space".

(Awaiting a post arguing about the one I just pictured).
Picture a fractal space...

Gary


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