Detroit Shooter

I was considering radar detectors and had a thought about installed detectors. Without getting into the "which one is better vortex" on a 991 to do service the rear bumper fascia has to be removed. With the different things that need to be installed on the rear of the car this is going to present a problem, wouldn't it?

limey940

Im looking at putting the 9500ci on my 991. have it in my truck, but i think you are correct if you go with the laser blocker package.

Detroit Shooter

Without the laser blocker package I question its value (if it works). For it to be viable there would have to be a connector to "quick disconnect" the sensors and transmitters in the back.

With a laser if you are the first shot you are cooked.

holminator

I find it interesting that none of the laser/LIDAR manufacturers the police use care less about laser "jammers" or diffusers: http://www.pbelectronics.com/police_lidar_laser.htm

Also noticed that consumer companies softened their jamming claims during the last few years. Perhaps because the jammers, blockers, diffusers really don't work as advertised and present no interference for law enforcement to get the job done. Also find it interesting that none of the diffuser manufacturers put on hard numbers on the effectiveness of their product. Do the units go out of tune over time?

carcommander

Unless I missed something it talks about detectors being useless not shifters or jammers.

chuck911

Yeah, it "renders radar detectors useless, and thus isolates the most flagrant speeders." Makes me want to trade my V1 in for a 9500ci just so I'll no longer be considered "flagrant".

carcommander

I am thinking of putting that system in my Cayenne just to try it.

holminator

I'll say it more bluntly. What if laser "jammers" from Escort are snake oil? What proof do we have that the $1000 machine is effective against police LIDAR? Is it industry data? Is it a report from a rennlister bragging about being a bad ***? Just saying because even by industry data, if we run into the Kustom ProLaser II, the Escort is a total joke. Not saying this as a troll (amazing, right?) because I was thinking of installing a diffuser and in the course of due diligence I'm starting to conclude that diffusers are bullsheisse.

rpilot

I won't +1 this, but I do have my doubts that the laser jammers / laser diffusers are as effective as the vendors claim them to be. Also, a good LEO, specifically ones who spend a lot of time on traffic enforcement, like the highway patrol, are trained in eyeballing a car and judging its speed within 10 miles / hr or so. So, even if a laser jammer or diffuser works as advertised, they are not likely to believe that your car going much faster than traffic moving along near the speed limit was not speeding.

I don't specifically know how good an escort 9500ci is or how good their portables are, so I won't comment on them. I have been fairly satisfied with the V1, I just wish they would add some key features.

Willpowers

I can tell you with absolutely and complete certainty that blocker/jammer technology is highly effective if used correctly. I have installed the Laser Interceptor product on my last three cars and they have saved me many times over. I live in Northern California and laser is widely used by the CHP. I can totally vouch for their product. But, with that said, jammers are no different than any other speeder-protection product - the hardware needs to be paired with an alert driver and you need quick reaction times to bring down speeds and disable the device before you pass through a speed trap completely. I cannot vouch for the Escort product (in fact, I recall that Escort's jammer hardware had poor reviews) but stand behind Laser Interceptor completely. I pair my LI setup with a V1. Good luck.

holminator

Alert driver. Blah, blah, blah. Any specific examples, Mr. 2 posts, kind sir?

Detroit Shooter

There is a lot of material around to support that some diffusers work. You would have to do some reading. If you have the mojo to afford the car some countermeasures are certainly within the realm of reason.

holminator

I call BS. Okay, here's a story.

" Escort ZR4 Failed Dramatically
A warning to users and potential buyers of the ZR4 laser shifter. A few months ago, I installed a new ZR4 linked to my 9500ix radar detector. I live in Houston, in which HPD is constantly running radar and laser particularly around the downtown area. Today, HPD was running a TACT unit using laser. I was hit with laser in the front of my car, and was alerted that the laser was "shifted;" which means HPD should not have been able to get a speed reading. Nonetheless, I was pulled over and the officer indicated I was going 50mph in a 40mph zone (so much for the 5-10mph cushion of yore). What's worse is I was really only going 45mph and he could not show the reading to me, since he just hit someone else.

I spoke with a tech at Escort about this incident. I inquired how the officer could have a registered my speed when the laser was shifted by the ZR4 front shifters. He asked how close the officer was when he took the reading. I indicated maybe 30 feet. He said the laser shifter is not effective within close distances and particularly within 100 feet or less; and that 1000 feet or more is ideal. I replied that HPD always shoots lasers at cars in the city within 30 to 50 feet, which means the ZR4 is useless. The tech agreed.

IMO, it's better to have no laser shifter at all than a false sense of security. I may just uninstall the unit altogether."

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...matically.html

I found a lot of data out there, but it was all from the makers and the retail sites selling. That's like trusting info on cancer from the Tobacco Institute of America. Consumer info has been a very different story and that is why I'm asking myself if I should waste money on possible snake oil.

trysixty

i hope i dont get slammed too much for not having a lot of posts, just got the friggin car two weeks ago...........however i have been discussing the laser shift/diffuser with these folks since they have good handle on Washington state patrol.

http://www.laserjammertests.com/

let me know what you think if you get a chance, smoke & mirrors???? thx

holminator

Yeah. I saw that site too. Thanks! Wasn't sure what to make of it as there is no clear identification on who is running the site plus there is advertising there from the "shifter" manufacturers. My approach has been to first look at the manufacturer sites selling LIDARs to the police to see if laser jammers and shifters are even an issue for them in terms of enforcement and what counter-countermeasures are being sold to the police. CAME UP WITH A BIG FAT ZERO. The police and their contractors seem unconcerned whatsoever about shifters and jammers for lasers.