Installed Radar Detector on a 991 a problem
12-21-2012, 10:31 AM
#47
Escort is a large reputable company. If it did not work at all I don't think they would sell it. Not worth the damage to their reputation. I am pretty confident the system I got will give me a chance in many situations. The truth is also that I am blessed with the financial resources as I suspect many on this board are so it is not a significant financial risk. I guess a false sense of security may be a risk but I was not planning on driving with reckless abandon.
01-10-2013, 09:49 PM
#48
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Detroit Shooter - Any progress to report on your installation? I have a few questions if you don't mind helping me a bit. As I mentioned in a previous post, I intend to perform precisely the same installation:
1) Are you happy with the quality of the work from Radar Mirror? How long did it take them to turn it around?
2) Did you find a way to integrate the Laser Interceptor Jammer with the Belltronics unit? I'd love to avoid having two separate, third party sets of controls and displays if it could be avoided. It would be ideal if the LI unit would simply "plug & play" with the Belltronics unit.
3) Where did you install the "controls" for both devices?
many thanks
1) Are you happy with the quality of the work from Radar Mirror? How long did it take them to turn it around?
2) Did you find a way to integrate the Laser Interceptor Jammer with the Belltronics unit? I'd love to avoid having two separate, third party sets of controls and displays if it could be avoided. It would be ideal if the LI unit would simply "plug & play" with the Belltronics unit.
3) Where did you install the "controls" for both devices?
many thanks
01-11-2013, 10:28 AM
#49
Detroit Shooter - Any progress to report on your installation? I have a few questions if you don't mind helping me a bit. As I mentioned in a previous post, I intend to perform precisely the same installation:
1) Are you happy with the quality of the work from Radar Mirror? How long did it take them to turn it around?
2) Did you find a way to integrate the Laser Interceptor Jammer with the Belltronics unit? I'd love to avoid having two separate, third party sets of controls and displays if it could be avoided. It would be ideal if the LI unit would simply "plug & play" with the Belltronics unit.
3) Where did you install the "controls" for both devices?
many thanks
1) Are you happy with the quality of the work from Radar Mirror? How long did it take them to turn it around?
2) Did you find a way to integrate the Laser Interceptor Jammer with the Belltronics unit? I'd love to avoid having two separate, third party sets of controls and displays if it could be avoided. It would be ideal if the LI unit would simply "plug & play" with the Belltronics unit.
3) Where did you install the "controls" for both devices?
many thanks
1.) I am happy with the work by radar mirror. I have not powered it up so I can not say how it displays or if the self dim works correctly but the job was done very quickly, the mirror looks the same as when I sent it. I think it took 4 business days which is barely enough time for fedex to ship it both ways. Scott Wheeler who communicates with you and does the work is very professional. There are some videos on youtube of how he does what he does that inspire confidence. I am comfortable with that part of the install.
2.) The Belltronics unit has no laser detection without the laser heads installed.
So I don't think you need to "integrate" the systems. The laser interceptor system has no display and its only control is a very small on off switch. My plan is to have the switch mounted facing down under the edge of the dash totally hidden. Easy to use if you know it is there totally hidden if you don't. The LI system is total voice alert no display. The Belltronics system is also more of a voice alert I believe as you become accustomed to it. Maybe someone with some seat time can expound on how you actually use it over time.
I plan to mount the Bellronics control like this
When the install is complete there will only be the Bell Control unit in the "ashtray" hole. Nothing else is visible. If it became outdated and you removed it the only visible sign would be a hole in the ashtray thing where the cable ran through.
The laser interceptor heads also have a short cable coming out of it 4' or so. and then an extension running to the control unit. If they were to have a significant upgrade of heads or control unit as long as they kept the cable the same it should be easy to swap in the new technology. If you have not guessed I over think things.
. You need that disconnect for the rear bupmer for sure because all engine maintenance requires the rear bumper cover to be removed. You have not asked where the GPS antenna goes. I am thinking somewhere on the rear deck near the back window or in the front cowl wiper area. Anyone have examples of that?
Bill
05-15-2013, 10:18 AM
#51
Photos
Finally had a chance to snap a couple bad phone photos.
I am happy with the install. Some observations.
1.) If your installer does not have a lift you should be concerned. It is hard to mount the radar head without lifting the car and or removing the nose. I have a lift in my garage and did not like the radar head install so I moved it.
2.) The GPS antenna is under the front cowl (plastic). That is a great place for it totally out of sight and it works perfectly.
3.) Radar mirror in blue is hard to see, with sunglasses it is near impossible. The good news is that it is really not necessary in my opinion.
I have a Belltronics STir Plus and Laser Interceptor Quad. Here is the Belltronics Display
The GPS feature of the Belltronic unit is a must. Over times it eliminates all the falses.
Here are the controls, I am very happy with this location. The system can be removed, the plastic cup replaced and you would never know it was there.
The switch in the front is for the LI system, it is audio only no display.
Overall I am happy with the system. I think this car grabs a lot of attention and I want as much information as possible when driving so I don't do something stupid at the wrong time since I know I will do some stupid things.
I am happy with the install. Some observations.
1.) If your installer does not have a lift you should be concerned. It is hard to mount the radar head without lifting the car and or removing the nose. I have a lift in my garage and did not like the radar head install so I moved it.
2.) The GPS antenna is under the front cowl (plastic). That is a great place for it totally out of sight and it works perfectly.
3.) Radar mirror in blue is hard to see, with sunglasses it is near impossible. The good news is that it is really not necessary in my opinion.
I have a Belltronics STir Plus and Laser Interceptor Quad. Here is the Belltronics Display
The GPS feature of the Belltronic unit is a must. Over times it eliminates all the falses.
Here are the controls, I am very happy with this location. The system can be removed, the plastic cup replaced and you would never know it was there.
The switch in the front is for the LI system, it is audio only no display.
Overall I am happy with the system. I think this car grabs a lot of attention and I want as much information as possible when driving so I don't do something stupid at the wrong time since I know I will do some stupid things.
05-15-2013, 11:08 PM
#52
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Yeah. I saw that site too. Thanks! Wasn't sure what to make of it as there is no clear identification on who is running the site plus there is advertising there from the "shifter" manufacturers. My approach has been to first look at the manufacturer sites selling LIDARs to the police to see if laser jammers and shifters are even an issue for them in terms of enforcement and what counter-countermeasures are being sold to the police. CAME UP WITH A BIG FAT ZERO. The police and their contractors seem unconcerned whatsoever about shifters and jammers for lasers.
If you're a Washington State Trooper or Seattle region officer I'd be happy to show you which LIDAR guns are the best bang for your buck with todays Federal grants. Speed LIDAR guns don't have to bankrupt your department. Shoot me an email if your department is contemplating which LIDAR guns to trust and purchase. Drive safe civilians. God bless those in blue.
05-16-2013, 06:26 PM
#53
Laserjammertests.com won't say, but it looks like it is either owned by Laser Star, USA or works in conjunction with Laser Star.
Other than that site there is no other test data and as I said before the technology does not support the possibility of a laser jammer given the precise and adaptive parametrics and the required transmit power level needed. Quite honestly, laser jammers on cars are bullsheisse. The US military would like to be able to jam laser designators like Escort claims. For the good gentlemen who believe their "jammers" saved them money, but sure that if you detected a laser signal at 1000-1500 feet, it may not have been aimed at you since the laser beam extends outward in a conical pattern; you may have picked up a signal aimed at another vehicle, and if you were not pursued when it was aimed at you, the officer may be hunting for speeders at a higher velocity than you. It was your lucky day in other words. I've been lased many times by LEOs and not pursued.
You may have a "jammer," but given it's lack of power and inability to be precise and/or undergo periodic inspection, it is quite ineffective or useless. It's just extra dead weight on the 991 and potential source of blowing the warranty on your electrical system, not to mention all the hookers and blow one could buy with the price of one of these faux jammers.
Cognitive estrangement is a powerful force. Recommend googling military use of laser jammers or rather if there are any systems deployed at initial or full operational capability. Good luck with that.
Other than that site there is no other test data and as I said before the technology does not support the possibility of a laser jammer given the precise and adaptive parametrics and the required transmit power level needed. Quite honestly, laser jammers on cars are bullsheisse. The US military would like to be able to jam laser designators like Escort claims. For the good gentlemen who believe their "jammers" saved them money, but sure that if you detected a laser signal at 1000-1500 feet, it may not have been aimed at you since the laser beam extends outward in a conical pattern; you may have picked up a signal aimed at another vehicle, and if you were not pursued when it was aimed at you, the officer may be hunting for speeders at a higher velocity than you. It was your lucky day in other words. I've been lased many times by LEOs and not pursued.
You may have a "jammer," but given it's lack of power and inability to be precise and/or undergo periodic inspection, it is quite ineffective or useless. It's just extra dead weight on the 991 and potential source of blowing the warranty on your electrical system, not to mention all the hookers and blow one could buy with the price of one of these faux jammers.
Cognitive estrangement is a powerful force. Recommend googling military use of laser jammers or rather if there are any systems deployed at initial or full operational capability. Good luck with that.
Last edited by holminator; 05-16-2013 at 06:47 PM.
05-16-2013, 08:14 PM
#54
As I said earlier Escort is a large reputable company are you suggesting they are selling something that in no way functions?
Also I would like to know your credentials you are making some very definitive statements.
Also I would like to know your credentials you are making some very definitive statements.
05-16-2013, 08:37 PM
#55
Thanks. I already posted the science behind it in this thread. You don't have to believe it or me. I'm okay with that my friend. No disrespect intended. Best wishes. I stand by my previous statements. When someone comes up with a system that works, the Pentagon will have an interest.
By the way, Lehman Brothers was also a large reputable company.
By the way, Lehman Brothers was also a large reputable company.
05-16-2013, 08:55 PM
#57
Yes, the laser, such as the Stalker, is in the infrared band.
Valentine tried to hint at the rediculous claims about jammers with the following comment on their website: "Laser jammers are an intriguing idea from a technical standpoint, but we don’t make them either....We won’t go there." That is certainly a respectable position to be admired.
Valentine tried to hint at the rediculous claims about jammers with the following comment on their website: "Laser jammers are an intriguing idea from a technical standpoint, but we don’t make them either....We won’t go there." That is certainly a respectable position to be admired.
05-17-2013, 01:39 AM
#58
Burning Brakes
I don't know.. Tonight again I got zapped by instant laser at 10 over and escort 9500 went nuts and saved me.. Again.. No tickets with the 991 here and just a regular escort 9500ci with the live network stuff. I doubt it would help much at extreme speeds but man, I wouldn't wanna be without it. I really miss knowing when I'm being monitored in my other car. This guy tonight was in a spot inside on the highway right before our exit with no lights on his car - he was invisible...whew
05-17-2013, 07:39 AM
#60
So this is all a PU on?
http://www.guysoflidar.com/july-2008...mmer-test.html
There are countless YouTube videos showing some jammers working and not working so well, is that all CGI?
Where is the video of all the jammers being totally ineffective? I can not find them.
I can't see Escort selling something that is black magic. By the way wall street is one step below organized crime. Not a great example for the legitimate business community.
http://www.guysoflidar.com/july-2008...mmer-test.html
There are countless YouTube videos showing some jammers working and not working so well, is that all CGI?
Where is the video of all the jammers being totally ineffective? I can not find them.
I can't see Escort selling something that is black magic. By the way wall street is one step below organized crime. Not a great example for the legitimate business community.
