Mumbles

So if there's any 991s owners out there who would like a straight swap back to a 997....I WILL COME TO YOU.

holminator

Thanks! I love watching train wrecks involving idiots, but from a long distance these days. :-)

holminator

Yes, it's a deal (on the day that monkeys fly out my ***...ditto if you have a Ferrari or Mercedes too).

Mumbles

LOL........keep eatin peanuts and give me a call

blk on blk

i don't see that at all. I love the 991. I find that many people who trash the new car have a couple of issue. 1. they usually haven't actually driven it and/or 2. If they had the cash they would most certainly go buy the new one.

Mspeedster

+1

I don't think most 997 owners are hostile to the 991. But there are a handful who always jump in to fuel the flames of the 997 vs 991 debate.

In my personal case, I like the 991 and often think about upgrading my 997 at some point in the future. However, while I like it, it's not the direction I had hoped Porsche would take with the new 911. I wanted a new 911 that was smaller and with body styling closer to the original, a little more pure sports and less GT. But Porsche did the opposite. I think there are many who like me wanted the 991 to be something a little different than what it is for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean we're hostile to the 991.

I think all 911s are awesome cars and that's the problem. They're all so dang good for different reasons, that one can always find something they like better with one generation vs. another.

DHC

Here's one 997 owner with no hostility towards the 991. Just got mine 18 months ago as a CPO, and still is it a baby with 30k miles, but plan on my next Carrera being a 991.

TommyV44

The 991 holds no appeal for me....zero....... and I've been driving Porsches (911s) for 15 years!

Tom

deturney

Not trying to hijack the thread but I just have to answer back to this: IMO Porsche already has possibly the finest pure sports car anywhere, but it is not a 911. My 2012 Cayman with a MT and standard non-adjustable suspension was about as pure as it gets these days.

I am no expert so I can't say for sure that it ultimately handled better than my 991S, what I will say is that I could take it through the same corners as fast or faster than my 991 with more confidence. It's hard to explain, but the Cayman is more composed and unflappable in the corners.

To me it's a shame that you can't buy a 400+HP Cayman from Porsche, we all know they can build it!

fast1

In my personal case, I like the 991 and often think about upgrading my 997 at some point in the future. However, while I like it, it's not the direction I had hoped Porsche would take with the new 911. I wanted a new 911 that was smaller and with body styling closer to the original, a little more pure sports and less GT. But Porsche did the opposite. I think there are many who like me wanted the 991 to be something a little different than what it is for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean we're hostile to the 991.

My first Porsche was a 1970 911. It would be interesting to see a 1970 911 and a 997 side by side. It's been over 40 years but my recollection is that my 911 didn't have an air conditioner, only a basic radio, no power seats or windows, no cup holders, and no leather. It didn't have much HP and its curb weight was well under 3000 lbs. So it was definately a very spartan, pure sports car.
Now if you look at each iteration of the 911 model, you'll find that they are becoming more GT and less pure Sports car. Also, with all of the electronic aids, 911s are becoming far easier to drive. For example anyone can take a 991 and drive it to near its max in complete safety. By comparison I'd like to see an inexperienced driver, accustomed to the protection offered by stability management, try driving a 993 to near its max.
So do I hate 991s? Of course not. Although I've never driven one, I expect that they are outstanding cars based on the posts that I have read on this forum. Fortunately however for drivers like me, Porsche still offers GT2 and GT3 models. Moreover, I expect that a lightly optioned 991S would probably meet my needs.
Bottom line I expect that the vast majority of sports car enthusiasts appreciate every iteration of the 911.

Rushman71

Humans are small minded creatures for the most part so they hate change and anything different than what they know. Shocker!

Oh well, time for me to go put another 12K miles on my baby in the next 3 months. I'm not purposefully trying to be the highest mileage 991, but in 3 more months I could hit 30K miles.

SSST

Speaking for me personally, I drive a 996 because the 997 was too refined for me. Actually the 996 is too refined, but I live in Texas and working AC and a top notch cooling system are a must.

My car is a weekend toy and I wanted something raw and visceral. I also wanted something I could work on myself when I had time. The 991, although a better allround car (I did get to spend about 100 miles in a 991S), moves further away from what I want in my weekend toy.

That doesn't mean I hate the 991. I just wish with all the billions of options, you could order one without all electronic driveline and suspension stuff.

m33porsche

I had a bad experience with a 997.1s, intrusive tyre noise, rattley rear speaker that would vibrate like a tin can at the merest hint of bass, would bounce me off course BUT wonderful looks, noise and handling - you can see how the relationship went.

Now in a 991 - for me it's bang in the right direction - same noise, same handling, less bounce, less tyre noise but nice luxury interior. Must me me getting older - but definately suits my needs

LastMezger

I just like the philosophical discussion of where Porsche is going with their product strategy and what the implications are for us as enthusiasts.

Nobody can claim the 991 is anything other than an incredible machine and a very capable automobile. Whether the "improvements" float your boat or not is a topic of debate...which is fun as long as people keep it above board.

None of us hand a hand in designing the car so there's no reason for anyone to take any of it personally.

pcar964

That's a grossly cynical, and wrong, statement. Perhaps you've been hanging around the wrong humans.