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Old 09-26-2012 | 03:47 PM
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my "porsche" tool kit - a small tool box I carried with everyting I needed to work on 356, 944, and 993 (except a jack and some other really big things) got stolen along with my car, so I'm going to have to build up a tool kit again - has anyone found a list of tools - splined wrenches, special access wrenches, etc, that would be helpful for reasonable levels of maintenance (brakes, oil, clutch, belts, plugs, etc)? Does the manual still recommend the Gates Klixon tension tool? do I need tripple square drive tools?
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this is just amazing - a vast amount of discussion over the proper way to wash the car and the evil of nylon brushes and the wonders of clay and not a single comment about tools - is it really true that all you guys just pay someone else to work on your cars? Really? I think that's kind of sad, but to each his own.
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Originally Posted by william_b_noble
this is just amazing - a vast amount of discussion over the proper way to wash the car and the evil of nylon brushes and the wonders of clay and not a single comment about tools - is it really true that all you guys just pay someone else to work on your cars? Really? I think that's kind of sad, but to each his own.
I think your question is just too nebulous. What specific "specialness" did you have in mind? Anyway, sometimes threads just don't have any "meat" to chew on (since the 991 has zero "special tools" unless you're a factory-trained tech) so folks tend to decline to post when there's nothing to post (yes, I appear to be an exception to that convention in this case ...)
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Ok, since I work on all my cars and have a lift in my garage for that purpose, I'll offer my two cents even though I've yet to work on my 991.

Over the years, I've purchased tools as necessary for each new car or additional task, eg, flare nut wrenches when replacing brake lines, triple square bits for working on my new Touareg, etc.. By now I've probably accumulated all the tools necessary to accomplish tasks I'm likely to tackle on the 991. Sometimes vehicle-specific tools are required, eg, valve adjustment and abs bleeding tools for my NSX. If that's the case for the 991, I'll pick them up as needed.

In short, a well-equipped garage usually has all the tools required for routine maintenance.

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ok, what do I mean by special tools? on the 944 and 993, there is a double square splined drive needed to remove the axle bolts. On the 993, a long 1/4 drive extension with a 7 mm swivel socket is essential for removing the MAF so you can access the SAI valve. The 993 belt tension is measued with a Gates Klixon. I made special tools to hold the balance shafts on the 944 so I could remove the drive gears to change oil seals. Flywheel holder is very helpful too for both cars. Both cars use allen headed capbolts, so a set of 3/8 drive allen sockets is essential, and a 5 mm 1/4 drive allen socket is critical to work on the fan belt.

I notice that the 991 uses different fasteners, that's why I asked. I am building up my tool kit, since my tool kit was stolen with my 993. I carry in the car the vast majority of tools needed to do almost any work. When something goes wrong on the road, I want to have a shot at fixing it, when I need to change oil or air filters, I dont' want to hunt for tools, I want them in the car. The so called "tool kit" that comes with the car doesn't even rise to the level of pathetic joke, they are cheap stamped tools that would normally be on the 99 cent table.

It's pretty clear that very few people have any plans to work on their car, however, I am one of those few and I don't want to start a job and not have the tools to finish it nor to use the wrong tool because I have no choice.
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Originally Posted by william_b_noble
ok, what do I mean by special tools? on the 944 and 993, there is a double square splined drive needed to remove the axle bolts. On the 993, a long 1/4 drive extension with a 7 mm swivel socket is essential for removing the MAF so you can access the SAI valve. The 993 belt tension is measued with a Gates Klixon. I made special tools to hold the balance shafts on the 944 so I could remove the drive gears to change oil seals. Flywheel holder is very helpful too for both cars. Both cars use allen headed capbolts, so a set of 3/8 drive allen sockets is essential, and a 5 mm 1/4 drive allen socket is critical to work on the fan belt.

I notice that the 991 uses different fasteners, that's why I asked. I am building up my tool kit, since my tool kit was stolen with my 993. I carry in the car the vast majority of tools needed to do almost any work. When something goes wrong on the road, I want to have a shot at fixing it, when I need to change oil or air filters, I dont' want to hunt for tools, I want them in the car. The so called "tool kit" that comes with the car doesn't even rise to the level of pathetic joke, they are cheap stamped tools that would normally be on the 99 cent table.

It's pretty clear that very few people have any plans to work on their car, however, I am one of those few and I don't want to start a job and not have the tools to finish it nor to use the wrong tool because I have no choice.
As of the 996, the number of special tools has dropped to basically zero until you're doing something obscure with the engine out. Sadly, if a 991 "fails to proceed" unless it's trivial, there's just zero opportunity to "fence wire" it back on the road.

I don't think there's much I could do to get a 991 back on the road. I've completely disassembled two 993's down to the chassis ... and even put one of them back together! : ) I've aligned most road-going Porsches except the Cayenne (or anything newer than a 2010 RS 3.8) My toolbox weighs 1000lbs+ My trailer tool kart can do almost anything including an engine-out of a 993 Turbo, with a drawer full of Porsche special tools including a clutch pressure plate welded to be a crank brace, special pulley socket, hand built eccentrics for the 928, all kinds of brackets and braces, reverse hole saw for cutting off frozen alloy lug nuts, long bolts to lower the 993 engine enough to work on the plugs without disconnecting the fluid lines, etc.

But if anything more than a flat (tire or battery) besets the 991, it's a matter of having a good credit rating and calling AAA for the 200 mile tow home.

Even if you carried a laptop and durametric, well, you might be able to decipher what's wrong, but what can you do about it? I had a Cayenne Turbo Power Kit report plug pack diag codes. What to do?

I can't remember the last time I did a successful roadside escape other than the intake of my tow vehicle (Ford 6.0) had blown apart under boost (a known problem if they're not cleaned before reassembly) and it was a relatively easy knuckle-scraper job to clean it and reassemble with a couple of hose clamps and some zip-ties to keep them in place.

So my favorite "get me outta here" tool kit is a 3-pack of SUV-sized tire latex inflators, a wad of 100lb rated zip ties of various sizes, WD40, valve cores, waterproof drop cloth, flexible LED work light, multi-meter with long leads and clips (mostly for fixing trailer wiring) misc fuses (a spare relay or two in the 993) and whatever else I'm forgetting ... reminds me I even have a prepaid cell phone in the family SUV ... all small stuff ... and some of that pipe-mending tape that stretches then bonds to itself and can withstand phenomenal pressures and temperatures ... JB Weld (unopened after years ... I wonder if it has a shelf life?) and three different sizes of vice-grips, correct size vinyl covered socket for the wheel lug bolts, two of those aluminum alignment bolts, a long set of idiot-proof jumper leads in the SUVs ... I carry a set of snow chains (Thule Summit ... see my other posts on those) in winter with a folding plastic shovel and disposable gloves (powder free nitrile) ... just nothing really special to the 991 ... most important is the top-shelf membership with AAA to get a ride home in a flatbed ... and an iPad charger to keep it going while the kids play Angry Birds or Cut the Rope ... for hours.

The only time I'm worried about the 991 or any of my cars breaking down is when I'm not there ... my only advice to my wife is to drive off the freeway at the next ramp, no matter if the car is on two wheels ... bad things can happen when people wait beside freeway lanes.

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Originally Posted by william_b_noble
this is just amazing - a vast amount of discussion over the proper way to wash the car and the evil of nylon brushes and the wonders of clay and not a single comment about tools - is it really true that all you guys just pay someone else to work on your cars? Really? I think that's kind of sad, but to each his own.
For the 991 you need the following special tools:

General:
9818 PIWIS Tester II


Engine:
P221 Clamping straps Special tool
P300 Wrench socket Special tool
9235 Relais pulling off pliers Special tool
9454 Wheel straps Special tool
9590 Mounting elements Special tool
9595/1 Dowel pins, since Mod.98 Special tool
9696 Filling device Special tool
9699 Fitting tool Special tool
9699/3 Assembly aid Special tool
9753 Socket-wrench insert Special tool
9768 Electronic torque wrench, 2 - 100 Nm/1.5 - 74 ftlb. Special tool
9769 Retaining plate Special tool
9769/1 Support Special tool
9769/2 Support Special tool
9771 Engine adapter Special tool
9771/1 Mounting set Special tool
9771/2 Engine support Special tool
9773 Turning device Special tool
9779 Holding bridge Special tool
9780 Loosening tool


Exhaust, engine electrics:
P300 Wrench socket Special tool
P378a Pressure gage Special tool
9264 Pressing-off tools Special tool
9705 Measuring adapter Special tool
9705/3 Connecting lead Special tool
9731/1 Pin wrench Special tool
9800 Wrench Special tool
9819 PIWIS Tester II WLAN


Transmission:
P299 Pressure piece Special tool
P300 Wrench socket Special tool
9102 Centering, mandrel Special tool
9234 Pressure piece Special tool
9357 Protective sleeve, two-part Special tool
9358 Pressure piece Special tool
9359 Assembly fixture Special tool
9595/1 Dowel pins, since Mod.98 Special tool
9692 Assembly aid Special tool
9718 PIWIS tester Special tool
9738 Pressure piece Special tool
9768 Electronic torque wrench, 2 - 100 Nm/1.5 - 74 ftlb. Special tool
9773 Turning device Special tool
9781 Bleeding tool Special tool
9829 Assembly fixture Special tool
9846 Locking bridge Special tool


Chassis:
9229/1 Puller hook Special tool
9546 Torx screw driver Special tool
9560 Press-out tool Special tool
9630/2 Socket wrench insert Special tool
9694/3 Press-on sleeve Special tool
9718 PIWIS tester Special tool
9730 Torque adapter Special tool
9767 Unlocking tool Special tool
9780 Loosening tool Special tool
9853 Cap Special tool


A/C and Electrical systems:
9768 Electronic torque wrench, 2 - 100 Nm/1.5 - 74 ftlb.
9822 Assembly tool Special tool
9827 Entriegelungswerkzeug Special tool





Every other tool needed is commercially available.


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Originally Posted by 911SLOW
For the 991 you need the following special tools:

General:
9818 PIWIS Tester II


Engine:
P221 Clamping straps Special tool
P300 Wrench socket Special tool
9235 Relais pulling off pliers Special tool
9454 Wheel straps Special tool
9590 Mounting elements Special tool
9595/1 Dowel pins, since Mod.98 Special tool
9696 Filling device Special tool
9699 Fitting tool Special tool
9699/3 Assembly aid Special tool
9753 Socket-wrench insert Special tool
9768 Electronic torque wrench, 2 - 100 Nm/1.5 - 74 ftlb. Special tool
9769 Retaining plate Special tool
9769/1 Support Special tool
9769/2 Support Special tool
9771 Engine adapter Special tool
9771/1 Mounting set Special tool
9771/2 Engine support Special tool
9773 Turning device Special tool
9779 Holding bridge Special tool
9780 Loosening tool


Exhaust, engine electrics:
P300 Wrench socket Special tool
P378a Pressure gage Special tool
9264 Pressing-off tools Special tool
9705 Measuring adapter Special tool
9705/3 Connecting lead Special tool
9731/1 Pin wrench Special tool
9800 Wrench Special tool
9819 PIWIS Tester II WLAN


Transmission:
P299 Pressure piece Special tool
P300 Wrench socket Special tool
9102 Centering, mandrel Special tool
9234 Pressure piece Special tool
9357 Protective sleeve, two-part Special tool
9358 Pressure piece Special tool
9359 Assembly fixture Special tool
9595/1 Dowel pins, since Mod.98 Special tool
9692 Assembly aid Special tool
9718 PIWIS tester Special tool
9738 Pressure piece Special tool
9768 Electronic torque wrench, 2 - 100 Nm/1.5 - 74 ftlb. Special tool
9773 Turning device Special tool
9781 Bleeding tool Special tool
9829 Assembly fixture Special tool
9846 Locking bridge Special tool


Chassis:
9229/1 Puller hook Special tool
9546 Torx screw driver Special tool
9560 Press-out tool Special tool
9630/2 Socket wrench insert Special tool
9694/3 Press-on sleeve Special tool
9718 PIWIS tester Special tool
9730 Torque adapter Special tool
9767 Unlocking tool Special tool
9780 Loosening tool Special tool
9853 Cap Special tool


A/C and Electrical systems:
9768 Electronic torque wrench, 2 - 100 Nm/1.5 - 74 ftlb.
9822 Assembly tool Special tool
9827 Entriegelungswerkzeug Special tool





Every other tool needed is commercially available.


Best

John
Which of these specific/unique to the 991?
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These are all classified as 991 tools for LHD/RHD Carrera and Carrera S cars.

That said, I am pretty sure that 95% of them are identical to the 996/997 ones.

The only way to identify the 991 exclusive tools, is to get the 996 Carrera and 997 Carrera special tool lists and compare them.

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Originally Posted by 911SLOW
These are all classified as 991 tools for LHD/RHD Carrera and Carrera S cars.

That said, I am pretty sure that 95% of them are identical to the 996/997 ones.

The only way to identify the 991 exclusive tools, is to get the 996 Carrera and 997 Carrera special tool lists and compare them.

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9827 Entriegelungswerkzeug Special tool
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For a 991 you shouldnt need ANYTHING. Unless you are going to track it. But here is some I noticed
if you want to mod it then I noticed you TORX is needed alot for like taking the bumper off, but dude I have had my 997.2 since 2009 and I havent put a tool to it yet.
But here is one thing CarreraGT is maybe the most talented mechanic I have EVER met or KNOWN, so what ever he says take it and bronze every word.
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By the way, I wash my own car so I use GLOSS-it.com PRODUCTS fantastic for a really nice price AND they were recommended to me when I saw a DEEP black 911 so well detailed I just HAD to ask HOW he did it. He was a professional detailer and this was the best job i had seen EVER. And I just use regular microfiber towels from Costco.
I got the same type of DEEP shine in my Black on Black BMW X5M.
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By the way, I wash my own car so I use GLOSS-it.com PRODUCTS fantastic for a really nice price AND they were recommended to me when I saw a DEEP black 911 so well detailed I just HAD to ask HOW he did it. He was a professional detailer and this was the best job i had seen EVER. And I just use regular microfiber towels from Costco.
I got the same type of DEEP shine in my Black on Black BMW X5M.
gloss-it is great for the "deep liquid black" finish. Still takes the whole process, but definitely works. My black Range Rover looks so good, I forgive it its mpg when it's just been detailed. Lasts about an hour. : )


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