is there a way to disable the hill-holding feature
04-15-2018, 05:40 PM
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I don't like the feature either. Been driving manuals for years. Never had a problem. One of the first drives in the 911 and I stalled the car! Good thing the autorestart kicked in.
To say all you have to do is to let out the clutch slower and give it more gas, is like saying all you have to do on a hill is be faster letting out the clutch to the bite point on a car that doesn't have the feature. Where's the benefit to experienced drivers that know how to drive on a hill?
Having to relearn around a useless feature sure sounds like a good reason to have a disable switch.
To say all you have to do is to let out the clutch slower and give it more gas, is like saying all you have to do on a hill is be faster letting out the clutch to the bite point on a car that doesn't have the feature. Where's the benefit to experienced drivers that know how to drive on a hill?
Having to relearn around a useless feature sure sounds like a good reason to have a disable switch.
04-15-2018, 07:13 PM
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I have about 600 miles on my 911T. Having owned a manual 996 and then a 997.2 with PDK I found the feature disconcerting at the beginning. I found that once I trusted that the car would not roll back, I simply take my time engaging the clutch, not very differently from the vehicle being on a level plane, and everything unfolds nicely. After a while it really is a handy aide. Go with the flow and you may find it to be a nice feature. Regards, -S
04-15-2018, 07:26 PM
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I don't like the feature either. Been driving manuals for years. Never had a problem. One of the first drives in the 911 and I stalled the car! Good thing the autorestart kicked in.
To say all you have to do is to let out the clutch slower and give it more gas, is like saying all you have to do on a hill is be faster letting out the clutch to the bite point on a car that doesn't have the feature. Where's the benefit to experienced drivers that know how to drive on a hill?
Having to relearn around a useless feature sure sounds like a good reason to have a disable switch.
To say all you have to do is to let out the clutch slower and give it more gas, is like saying all you have to do on a hill is be faster letting out the clutch to the bite point on a car that doesn't have the feature. Where's the benefit to experienced drivers that know how to drive on a hill?
Having to relearn around a useless feature sure sounds like a good reason to have a disable switch.
"Having to relearn around a useless feature sure sounds like a good reason to have a disable switch" Why do you have to learn it?
post is one big contradiction in terms
04-15-2018, 07:43 PM
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I like German engineering. But at times instead of keeping it simple, there is a tendency to over-engineer things unnecessarily. There is always the PDK for those that hate the manual so why incorporate a feature that 99% of us driving the manual doesn't need. I don't know about others, but if my car is mechanically sound I've never gone backwards on start even on the steepest incline.
04-15-2018, 07:50 PM
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I believe that without the hill holding feature, Porsche would have had to incorporate a manual hand brake in the manual transmission cars. How else can you modulate the clutch in hilly places such as SF?
04-15-2018, 10:27 PM
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In all sreriousness, doubt that will work. All modern Porsches have this. My wife’s Cayenne is an auto and has it. Loaner Macans and Pannys it’s PDK that I have had also have the feature. And nary a clutch pedal in sight.
04-16-2018, 02:16 PM
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This made me realize something...this is Porsche we're talking about here. Why didn't they offer Hill Hold as a stupid-expensive option like they do with everything else (Power Steering Plus)? It's just a couple of lines of added code. They love to gouge for this kind of stuff. And since it's so unpopular, making it an option should have been a no-brainer. As to having it as a menu choice, my '11 Golf TDI had it as a variable menu choice (on/off/length of time before releasing, etc.), so Porsche should have been able to figure it out, too.
04-16-2018, 03:04 PM
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This made me realize something...this is Porsche we're talking about here. Why didn't they offer Hill Hold as a stupid-expensive option like they do with everything else (Power Steering Plus)? It's just a couple of lines of added code. They love to gouge for this kind of stuff. And since it's so unpopular, making it an option should have been a no-brainer. As to having it as a menu choice, my '11 Golf TDI had it as a variable menu choice (on/off/length of time before releasing, etc.), so Porsche should have been able to figure it out, too.
05-09-2018, 10:00 AM
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Seriously?
How many multi-page threads on this topic do we need until you'll concede it's unpopular?
I do believe it's intrusiveness is very dependent on driving conditions. It seems folks that live in relatively flat areas never notice it and don't understand the fuss. I live in Pittsburgh. I've currently got 7 other standard shifts, dating back to big-block 4-speed American iron. The only time I have trouble starting on a hill is when my hill-holder Porsche won't release the brakes and it stalls. Its simply infuriating when you know how to drive and the car won't let you. I leased a Fiesta ST with a hill holder. Ford lets you disable it with a couple on-screen selections, but it worked so well I left it on.
How many multi-page threads on this topic do we need until you'll concede it's unpopular?
I do believe it's intrusiveness is very dependent on driving conditions. It seems folks that live in relatively flat areas never notice it and don't understand the fuss. I live in Pittsburgh. I've currently got 7 other standard shifts, dating back to big-block 4-speed American iron. The only time I have trouble starting on a hill is when my hill-holder Porsche won't release the brakes and it stalls. Its simply infuriating when you know how to drive and the car won't let you. I leased a Fiesta ST with a hill holder. Ford lets you disable it with a couple on-screen selections, but it worked so well I left it on.
05-09-2018, 10:10 AM
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the new 991s have this very annoying feature of putting on the brakes for you when you are stopped on a hill so the car doesn't roll back - that might be great if you never drove a car with a clutch, but I find it hugely annoying - it makes me stall the car or nearly stall the car because I'm fighting the brake and the hill. Is there some switch action to tell the car computer that this particular assistance is not helpful? - I finally noticed there is a little green indicator on the dash that tells you when this feature activates, but some help that is - I guess I can over-rev it to get started and I won't notice, but I like to drive smoothly (I got about 140K miles on the first clutch in my 993) - so far this is the second most annoying feature in the 991 (the most annoying is that stupid rubber lip on the front that drags on the ground all the time - mine fell off and got lost in the first 150 miles, after I put it back on at least 10 times. good riddance, though the car looks odd without it.
05-09-2018, 10:59 AM
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I really don't see how this hill hold could possibly be construed as a problem. Makes hills way easier and easier on the clutch as well.
05-09-2018, 11:20 AM
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I hated the hill hold when I first got my 2010 Cayman...I had been driving a manual for a couple of decades and I would constantly stall the car! It drove me nuts! The problem I have now is that, although I have gotten used to the hill hold (and definitely appreciate it at times!), it has made me a little lazier with my clutch foot if that makes sense....to the point where when I'm driving my older 911 or 356 I find myself rolling backwards! I need to readjust my timing depending on vehicle which is a bit of a pain...