991 vs C63
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That makes sense thanks. I am wondering if a 997 GTS might make sense, there are some nice specimens available and discount is heavy relative to 991S. Here is one example:
http://www.1800thompson.com/certifie...eHistory=true#
How do you find the 991 compared to your turbo?
http://www.1800thompson.com/certifie...eHistory=true#
How do you find the 991 compared to your turbo?
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If I was in the market for a 4-seat performance car, the C63 BS would be it, hands down and no question, over the 997GTS or 991S. It is the last of the N/A bespoke performance-engined German muscle cars, and as such will always be a very rare and special beast.
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I love the C63,....if I had room for a few cars a C63 would be taking up some space,.....but as you said the 991 and C63 are very different tools,.....one a hammer, the other a scalpel. I also like that it is one of the last NA big engined AMGs out there, no turbos for me please.
First there's no denying that a C63 has gobs more torque and more HP, but in a much heavier package, and yes, initially a 991 will feel a bit soft below 4K rpm compared to the Benz. If you look at all the published timings between each,....they are either a wash or the 991S a tick ahead, so yes it has the speed you just have to go get it.
Second, if the 991 didn't have a few thousand miles on it, it won't even be broken in yet and believe me there's a huge difference in performance once a Porsche engine is broken in a bit. Also it takes a bit of driving to be at one with a Porsche. The magic begins once you meld with it, then you see how special they really are.
If you absolutely need a sports car with a pair of small seats, then yes a 991 is one of the few if not THE only one that fills the bill.
Stick vs PDK,....you can't lose with either. Just pick the one you like the most.
First there's no denying that a C63 has gobs more torque and more HP, but in a much heavier package, and yes, initially a 991 will feel a bit soft below 4K rpm compared to the Benz. If you look at all the published timings between each,....they are either a wash or the 991S a tick ahead, so yes it has the speed you just have to go get it.
Second, if the 991 didn't have a few thousand miles on it, it won't even be broken in yet and believe me there's a huge difference in performance once a Porsche engine is broken in a bit. Also it takes a bit of driving to be at one with a Porsche. The magic begins once you meld with it, then you see how special they really are.
If you absolutely need a sports car with a pair of small seats, then yes a 991 is one of the few if not THE only one that fills the bill.
Stick vs PDK,....you can't lose with either. Just pick the one you like the most.
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No in the 458 the transmission is so in tune with the cars character that it feels totally natural. Cannot imagine it with an MT.
I did not feel the same with the pdk for various reasons, including the fact that the 991S engine does not rev nearly as quickly as the 458
I did not feel the same with the pdk for various reasons, including the fact that the 991S engine does not rev nearly as quickly as the 458
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Interesting discussion. I went from a 996 to E55 AMG as a DD some time ago. Different cars but similar comparison in an earlier era. If your needs include a more proper four seater, there's no doubt I would choose the C63. The instant torque of the AMG engines are also better suited for street use than the 991 IMO.
I'm currently considering a 991 or a Cayenne diesel for my next DD. I've driven the 991s and Cayennes but not the C Diesel yet. I am leaning towards the diesel for more utility and low end torque. This thread has me thinking about the C63s.
I'm currently considering a 991 or a Cayenne diesel for my next DD. I've driven the 991s and Cayennes but not the C Diesel yet. I am leaning towards the diesel for more utility and low end torque. This thread has me thinking about the C63s.
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I can now confirm what some people on here have said the c63 black series is a very impressive car... (and the rs5 after a little seat time is not).... for anybody that has a chance to try a black series I highly would suggest doing so
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"The new car (Base 991 Carrera) hangs on the skidpad more tenaciously, stops shorter from 70 mph, and gives up only a tenth of a second in 0-to-60 and quarter-mile times to the 408-hp 2011 Car (997 GTS)"
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I will be going some members of the family times out over Christmas, B-road explosions and a number of more time trips so I should have a very sensible decision of whether my purchase for a 991 was a sensible concept. Because the car I’ve got is not my own to keep and I will have to delay at least a few several weeks for my own to appear.
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C63 somehow feels more brutal than the 991, it is still quite a fun car to drive, but the 991 is just way out of its league. Depending on your driving style, if you like the precision handling, 991 is the way to go. But if straighline acceleration and engine sound is your thing, then c63 is a good choice.
M5 is dull, the engine lacks character; it is a great car on number and on road, but it lacks drama, not to mention precision. But the upside is, you can fit in taller kids.
M5 is dull, the engine lacks character; it is a great car on number and on road, but it lacks drama, not to mention precision. But the upside is, you can fit in taller kids.
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The drive was great, but I think I have been spoiled by my C63 in that the engine felt good but somewhat anemic in the 991S. Thats an exaggeration on my part but I wonder if I've become spoiled by the additional torque and hp in the C63, it certainly can be felt seat of the pants. .
Drive it again and press the pedal down harder. Mercedes programs their throttle response to give you almost full throttle with just a small fraction of gas pedal travel... it makes the car feel less anemic because your brain is programed to expect half, when you're getting full. Now that you're used to the AMG, a linear pedal feels slow.
also... this goes with out saying, but the Merc makes all its power very low in the RPM band, and the Porsche makes all it's power in the upper range. At 2,500 rpm, yes the 911 will feel anemic.