97c2s993

I've taken my 991 C2S 3 times on the track so far at PCA DE events. The car is blisteringly fast and sure-footed through the circuits, in turns and of course on the straights. I have PDCC w SPASM & Sports Chrono (dynamic engine mounts) which of course is part of the reason. I don't plan to drive my car in snow with 20' wheels so AWD is not a need in any way for me.
This being said, I wish they would had put the wider track on the 991 C2S as they did once or twice before (per my avatar). This is the one thing I wish the C2S was offered with. Light strip is ok too but not a must.

docfink

I wanted the wider rear; to me, a 911 has to have a wide ***. It's the look I've dreamed of since I was a kid. I personally prefer the car WITHOUT the light strip, although the version on the 991 is far superior to my eyes than the too-wide version on the 997.2.

I like the heavier, but super responsive and tactile steering of the C4S, at least on my generation car. With electric assisted steering in the 991, I would think the steering "feel" differences would be less drastic.

I have separate winter tires/wheels for the car, and like the security of the awd in rain/snow. The car isn't a snowplow, but with a couple inches on the ground, the car is insanely secure.

I don't know if I'd go with the awd again, but as I stated above, I prefer the wider rear, and it is nice to have the added security and stability.

chuckbdc

http://origin.porsche.com/uk/article...-911-carrera-4

No need to believe it of course, if you have an alternative reality.

Me- I have another car for truly bad weather and think the 991 has a fat enough butt.

Rocket_boy

From what I understand beginning with the 997.2,....the "4" versions were faster around Porsches test tracks compared to the "2" versions. In a straight line the 2 may still be 1 or 2 tenths faster, but put both on a decent track and the 4 will have the advantage.

Bill_C4S

Worth noting that the 964 was first introduced in AWD guise, with the 2WD following, dependent on market, up to a year later.

This first AWD 911 built on learnings from both the 959 - inclusive the Rallye versions - and the aborted, early 80's 969 (AWD Turbo) project.

Also don't underestimate the extent to which Germans - the local, and still quite influential market- wanting to get from say Bremen to Hamburg during winter....wished to do so in their daily flat 6'er with speed and control.

seapar

Having tracked my C4s for two seasons now in the pacific northwest it does behave differently than an RWD car. AWD is nice for the security , safety for the sub 40 degree temps, rain and such here esp with dedicated winter tires on. The wide hips and light strip make it striking. . But I enjoyed tracking so much I also now have also a GT3.( RWD) Now that behaves differently dynamically on the track and has less nanny controls( mk 1.) What fun though. Nothing like a "3" IMO

DrJupeman

I'm an advocate of RWD-only 911s. I drove my 964 all year, four seasons, in the northeast and with snow tires it was a monster in the snow (no issues whatsoever with the weight over the drive wheels). That said, don't dismiss the qualities of AWD for performance. I remember back in the '80s, maybe early '90s when the Audi AWD race cars were banned from the British Touring Car series because they were destroying everyone (they did have standing starts, where AWD is big).

greenie

I would have to believe that the RWD with dedicated snows and the advantage of the engine in the rear would work well for the winter months.

10 GT3

Bottom line, waste of money unless you need to drive in acclimate weather. Modern 911s are incredibly stable compared to previous generations and there is always a disadvantage forcing one pair of drive wheels to put down power and control steering. This is in addition to the additional weight that comes with 4WD that always hinders performance. Remember that you have to accelerate, brake and control that additional weight in corners. This is why Walter Rohrl is consistently 6-7 seconds a lap slower at the Ring driving the 4WD variant over the 2WD variant of a 911 in the dry. It is not hard to figure out why Porsche GT cars (GT2s, GT3s) have always been 2WD.

Since the majority of the additional weight is at the front axle, the 4S seems very strange as it gets a wider back end and wider rear wheels/tires that compounds the understeer more when it really needs more tire in the front. Of course that extra weight quickly becomes a huge advantage when you induce a wintery mix.

Broker

Aren't there any windy roads in Georgia???

I get up early-early to drive from Orange County to Lake Arrowhead to avoid any and all traffic. Something about doing 50mph through twists where the recommended speed is 20mph..... It's twice as fun coming down.

C4's ROCK!

kosmo

while i never understood an AWD 911 i do understand the desire to making money.

fester

OK...wonder what's story behind veyron and lambo's to be awd? You're not driving on the track everyday but you are on different road conditions/inclement whether etc etc. AWD (with RWD bias!) rocks!!!

cmb13

Grip, Hips, Strip. Love it!

carcommander

Frank, I currently own a 991 C2S and sold an 07 and 08 turbo. I don't see the point in 4wd. It adds wieght, complexity and cost. The GT2RS is 2 wd. In Atlanta there is no point. The 3 days a year it snows in Atlanta I just stay home. Why risk getting hit. Jim

Sidney1

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