Z356

No, it's not on the latest July 2014 list. But it was on the 1/23/2014 list. It stated then that a feasibility test was needed (see photo #1).

I was told by Melissa Witek last November at The Thermal 918 test drive that indeed a 918 customer had requested 'Acid Green' as a PTS color for his 918. Remember that the PTS list we are talking about only covers 991/981/Panamera. If the color is approved for the 918, we still would not see it on this list. At Sonoma Raceway two weeks ago, Melissa told me that 'Acid Green' was not yet approved...but that 'Lichtgrün' (historically called in English 'Birch Green') was almost an identical color! And that hue is approved for the 991/981 (last four photos).

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel


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Z356

The photos that I took at the factory of the 'Lichtgrün' cabriolet are not particularly faithful to the color in daylight. See these other photos (first 3) of the .2 997 gt3 RS that was ordered & sold by Pioneer/Porsche of San Diego a few years ago. That is really what 'Lichtgrün' looks like!

I have also heard that a gt3 customer is looking into ordering 'Chartreuse' or 'Lime Green', also an equally historic early 911 color. The color code is 226. That has yet to be tested, but hopefully that will happen soon! That color is a bit similar to 'Lichtgrün'...yet very different (see last three photos).

It's never been a better time to order PTS from Porsche. The color selection available to us customers is getting better with each updated PTS list!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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Z356

The likelihood is pretty good if CXX options are allowed to be continued. The exterior rear view mirrors in 'Gloss Black' - Yes! Fixed-wing profile on Aerokit Cup, rear spoiler of Boxster/Cayman and hood...all painted gloss 'Black'? Sure. And the end caps of spoiler on gt3? Probably!

CXX is their 'special request' option that you will never find in the configurator. It will not be inexpensive, though! Currently (as of late June, 2014), CXX was on 'hold' but they are hopeful that PAG will allow it to be ordered soon! Another Rennlist forum member has posed that same question recently to Melissa Witek and she will get an answer back from Germany soon! Hopefully this Rennlister will let us all know re: her response.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel


PS All photos (except #3) taken by me of actual 991's/981's with trim done in deviated color - 'Black' - by the factory via CXX!
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Z356

Similar issue raised by 'apias' at 991 forum & requires same answer. 'Guards Red' is not offered on Panamera. But a Panamera customers orders it. Thus color is tested & approved for Panamera. That is why it's on the PTS list. But I agree that technically the ? on the 991/981 column should be instead a NOT AVAILABLE (zero with dash) since that color is not available for that model as a PTS. Or instead, create a new status - 'NOT APPLICABLE'.

PTS in that color ('Yachting Blue Metallic') is not available for the Panamera because it's an available $790 option on that model as you stated. It got put on the list because a 991 or 981 customer ordered it, then got tested and approved for just those two other models! Just like 'Carrara White Metallic' is not available as a PTS for the 991 & 981 because it's currently an available option at $710 for those models. But it was petitioned by a Panamera customer, got tested & approved for that model...and that is how it got to that list!

But I agree that technically the ? on the Panamera column should be instead 'NOT AVAILABLE' (zero with dash) as a PTS. Or 'NOT APPLICABLE". That would make the logic consistent with how 'Carrara White Metallic' is handled by the PTS list.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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Z356

Aerowerke: Thank you for your kind note.

The PTS window usually opens at the start of the model year (when order books open*) and normally closes by late fall or early winter. I believe the PTS window for the MY2014 'shut' in late December of 2013. And it would not surprise me if the PTS window for MY2015 is closed at about the same date in 2014.

Since you are planning both PTS and European Delivery, I would think you need to be extra careful with your ordering --- because next year will likely be when Porsche introduces the .2 991 facelift! So if you want a MY2015, you can order one for PTS and ED in the next five months. And that order for your MY2015 will be available for Euro Delivery probably in the Spring of 2015. Certainly before MY2016 991 production starts, which may be May or June of 2015. So that means you doing ED with your PTS MY2015 991 in late Spring/early Summer of 2015!

If you want a MY2016 991 to take advantage of the facelift, you'll have to wait until they open the order book. That will not happen anytime before Spring of 2015. And we don't know how PTS or European Delivery will be handled for that model just yet! You might be able to get a Fall 2015 Euro delivery on a MY2016....but perhaps not PTS! PTS is handled differently by the factory and usually done in batches...with plenty of delays to coordinate with all the just-in-time vendors so that the PTS pieces are done correctly & match the color! If you want both Euro Delivery & PTS on a MY2016 991, you might have to wait until Spring 2016 for that combo to be delivered to you! It might be worth it. I would be to me! But that is just my analysis from observing the recent past history of PTS at PAG.

I don't think anyone at 'Porsche Exclusive' will be able to tell you much more than this. In fact, I am pretty sure they'll tell you 'LESS'. They can NOT talk about the 991 MY2016 or the 'possible' facelift.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

*Order Book for MY2015 991 & 981 started earlier this Spring, although actual production didn't commence until first week of June of 2015! It coincided with when the Configurator made the changes for MY2015 - new colors, new options, etc.

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Z356

'Birch Green' and 'Lichtgrün' are one and the same. It is a 1974/1975 historical early 911 color that could be special order from the factory at that time! Today's PTS 'Lichtgrün' has the same color code (253) as the old 1974/1975 'Birch Green/Lichtgrün', so that is very significant & tells you it's the same color too!

PAG, however, made the mistake to give it a new English name when they approved this color for PTS in the late 997 period! So they translated Lichtgrün as 'Light Green' and forgot that historically the English name for this color was 'Birch Green'. See the attached sample color piece from 'Porsche Exclusive' at Zuffenhausen which I tool last year (photos #1 & #2)!

A bit of brain fade...or simply the lack of historical perspective from some of the younger folks that presently run 'Porsche Exclusive' (see photo #3 of 'Birch Green/Lichtgrün' color selections in 1974/1975)

Yes that gt3 RS was indeed 'Birch Green/Lichtgrün' and custom ordered by the fine folks at Pioneer/Porsche of San Diego. It arrived late March/early April of 2011. It came with a beautiful book with its production progress that is an option at 'Porsche Exclusive' whenever you order a PTS Porsche (see photo #4 & #5). I should talk more about that in my 'Custom Ordering' thread. Thanks for reminding me of it.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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Keadog

What's the process for ordering the "book", Eduardo? I have heard about this but never seen one. The rumor is it's quite expensive - $2500 or so?
I would still consider it, at least to the point of getting a firm price.
Dealer expects my allocation to open up this week or next and freeze relatively quickly.
Thanks!

Z356

The 'book' is an option provided by 'Porsche Exclusive'. They take photos of your specific car while still in production at Zuffenhausen and make a hard-bound 'memento' of it for your coffee table! It's not listed on the configurator. But in the past it definitively has been available to those who are in the know, request it and are willing to pay for it! I don't remember exactly the cost of this option, but it was expensive! Over €1K if I recall correctly. It was quoted to me when I saw one for the first time in person last year at the factory in Zuffenhausen. It was a copy of one ordered by a client for his PTS vehicle. And it was on display in the special work room where post-production customization of select 'Porsche Exclusive' options are installed in cars that are coming out of the general assembly line! This work room is located right behind the normal 'factory delivery day' pick-up room on the second floor. This is the building which has an entrance on Porschestraße in Zuffenhausen and its often refer to as the 'Driver's Selection Shop' at Porsche!

The only US vehicle I have ever seen one ordered with was the 'Lichtgrün /Birch Green' .2 997 gt3 RS ordered by Porsche of San Diego in 2011! Keith I suggest you or your dealer contact 'Porsche Exclusive' in the US or Germany to find out the exact cost of this option for you upcoming PTS vehicle order! Or you can contact Matthew Bang at Porsche of San Diego and see if he remembers the exact price of that book on their old 'Lichtgrün /Birch Green' .2 997 gt3 RS!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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Keadog

Thanks Edurado. I emailed Exclusive with a different question over a week ago and never received a reply of any kind. Typical?
I'll look into the book. It would be very nice to have. The price might be a factor, tho. I don't plan on selling this car, but I've said that 5 times before (so far)...

hinckley

A quick update . . . I emailed Melissa at Porsche Exclusive regarding the availability of Amber Orange deviating leather/leather-to-sample for my C4S cab build. I specifically asked about AO seats, door center panel, door armrest and door handle, the cost of each item, and if available, whether they would have a lead time similar to exterior paint-to-sample. Melissa got back to me almost immediately with the following reply –

Thanks for your email. Starting with our model year 2015 911's (which started production in June), the only deviating leather options on your list are the seat inlays and the armrests. You would see a similar delay as paint-to-sample because Amber Orange is not considered a standard offer color for the 911's. So you would probably need a November build slot in order to accommodate Leather to Sample right now. The price for seat inlays in leather to sample is $1260, and the armrests in leather to sample are $390. Hope this helps!
Warm Regards, Melissa

Z356

Good to know, Hinckley! That simplifies things for MY2015 & beyond. Let us know if you decide to go that route with inlays in deviating color and end up using 'Amber Orange'. I don't think we will miss any of the uncoordinated attempts at design with, for example, a 'dash in a deviated color'. These (see attached photos) were ordered in MY2012's & MY2013's and were a real abomination!

Keith, I hope you didn't misspelled the name of the person you were trying to reach at 'Porsche Exclusive'...like you did mine! He/she may be a sensitive soul and that may account for the delay in getting back to you! I am pretty sure Hinckley got Witek's name just right...which is why he got an immediate response from her! See the difference?


Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

Z356

I have just come across information on a relative new museum in Germany while researching for a post I wrote re: the Type 64 on the 991 gt3 forum. But the museum has intrigued me so much that I am posting about it at all my PTS/'Porsche Exclusive' threads so that it gets wider publicity!

Yes, another story. And a fascinating one at that. Porsche 64, Type 64 and Type 60K10. Berlin-Rome Race cars. Three built in aluminum by Reutter. 1939. One remained in the hands of Austrian Otto Mathé. By the way, one of the most interesting auto museums in Germany, Hamburg's Automuseum Prototyp, has this interesting displays of not one, but two, type 64's!

"Certainly one of the most significant items on display is the Porsche Type 64, the forerunner of the VW Beetle (or KdF-Wagen) and the Porsche 356 cars. This very important vehicle, one of only three fabricated for the 1939 Berlin-Rome race, is the only survivor in its original form. Of course the race never did take place due to the war, and the three cars were stored in separate locations, one being stored at the Gmünd factory in Austria, the second one at the Porsche family’s home at Zell-am-See while the third was totally destroyed. The ‘black’ Type 64 was requisitioned by the American forces after the war and they proceeded to cut the roof off, and quite literally thrashed it into the ground. When the Americans left, the second 64 was broken down and the remains were kept until Otto Mathé bought the green car T.2222 (photo 1 & 2) and the parts belonging to the second car, which had by now lost its body. Over time the Automuseum Prototyp has had this car rebuilt using the original parts, and as a result, the car is almost completely original apart from the body, which is new (photo 3). The importance of the Type 64 cannot be over emphasised as many cars, including Porsche’s own 356 and various race cars, borrowed design cues from this car."

https://virtualmotorpixblog.wordpres...-of-the-month/

For more information on this fascinating museum, which features the type 64 in its website logo (photo 4), click on the link below:

http://www.prototyp-hamburg.de


They recently celebrated one of our favorite models with a special exhibition entitled: '50 Years of Porsche 911' (photo 5).

Once you hear the haunting music at the link, you'll be hooked: 'One hundred Porsches and me; wanting to be different, wanting to be free...One hundred Porsches, this is the way it's supposed to be!'. The music comes from an obscure documentary filmed in 2008 by André Schäfer about his search for a 1970's era 'grass green' special color Porsche 911 (photo 6)...a story dear to our hearts here at PTS Zentrum!

http://www.100porschesandme.com

Don't leave Germany on your next trip without paying a visit to this museum. I certainly will not miss it!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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MarkoPolo

Hello [Erudute] Eduardo;

Could you please specify the white colour in this posting #468 (pics 4 & 5). Wondering if this is ORYX WHITE PEARL? I had narrowed my colour choices down to 6 shades of white & grey. Your posting about Dolphin, Heron, & Linen was valuable. Originally I planned to order my Targa in one of two all time favourite 356 Cab shade Cream White or Sand Grey (which are remarkably close in daylight.

However now I’m thinking the Targa may look better with a metallic shade which limits my preferences more than I anticipated.

I have solved my Targa 'top' colour problem with an aftermarket purchase of spare top to swap out after delivery without voicing any warranty (shade of dark brown recently produced for 911 Cabs).

I'm much too old to be as adventurous as some board members with some of the brighter green & orange colours. Old & classic like a 356!

Comments regarding Oryx on the Targa would be appreciated. The only decent photos I’ve been able to find were from the Geneva show on a Turbo posted by Suzy's post #289.

Planning on Red & Black 2-tone interior with very little contrasting stitching with exception of seat inserts if available.

I won’t be patient enough to wait for the dash-2 facelift which I’ve seen in 3 renderings but very much in beta stage pencil drawings.

Hope all is well with you sir.

Cheers
Marko

Keadog

Oops! Sorry.
Since I didn't know who would be reading it, I did the generic "Dear Sir/Madam" on both emails (and I'm pretty sure I spelled those correctly) and have yet to get a response on either (the first being July 8, but that questioned was answered through the dealer.
Your friend, Kieht

Z356

Frankly, I don't remember the color of that 991 with the Aerokit Cup option on post #468. It didn't make any particular impression on me at the time, so most likely is just plain 'White' (Photo 1). I don't know if I can help you with 'Oryx White Pearl' (photos 2, 3 & 4 of Suzy991 in Schweiz). I have never seen it person. It is very expensive. Have you thought of just ordering the much less expensive 'Carrara White Metallic'? You'll have more money left over for other 'cool' options and it doesn't involve the normal delays associated with PTS!

I do have an opinion on this subject. The following combo (rest of photos below) of 'Black/Garnet Red' is one of the most attractive that Porsche has ever offered on a Porsche. Ever! It is an epic interior. I would recommend that you do your interior similar to this Turbo S Cabriolet. On your 991 Targa, that would mean adding the following:

a) deviating carpet in 'Black' (less than $800).
b) Sport Seats Plus Backrest Shells in Leather (opt XWK) $1,870
c) Steering Column Casing in Leather (opt XNS) $465
d) Extended Interior Package, Dashboard Trim in Leather (opt CZW) $1,720
e) Center Console Trim in Carbon Fiber (opt XHM) $630
f) Carbon Fiber Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior & PDK (opt EEJ) $1,990

Marko: With your selection of a 'Black/Garnet Red' two tone interior for your Targa, my strong recommendation would be for you to also select the spare top in the 'Red' fabric that Porsche offers...and not the 'Dark Brown' which doesn't match anything else in your build!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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