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Congrats! Love my .1 as I feel it's a nice medium between the 997 and 991.2, but if I were to have to get another 911 today, a 997 GTS might be it, due to what you mentioned.
The rawer, louder, classic/analogue, more connected, the better. 911 is all about emotional value to me, so a lot of the comfort amenities of the 991 aren't necessary (even perhaps detracting).
I will say, what truly keeps me in the 991 over a 997 is the design. To me, it's the most beautiful modern 911, likely over the 992 based on its pictures. The 997's only drawback is that for some reason, I never loved its design. Though, the GTS trim especially takes care of that quite well.
Congrats! Love my .1 as I feel it's a nice medium between the 997 and 991.2, but if I were to have to get another 911 today, a 997 GTS might be it, due to what you mentioned.
The rawer, louder, classic/analogue, more connected, the better. 911 is all about emotional value to me, so a lot of the comfort amenities of the 991 aren't necessary (even perhaps detracting).
I will say, what truly keeps me in the 991 over a 997 is the design. To me, it's the most beautiful modern 911, likely over the 992 based on its pictures. The 997's only drawback is that for some reason, I never loved its design. Though, the GTS trim especially takes care of that quite well.
EDIT: Didn't realize this is an old thread.
I really fell in love with the 991 design. Such a classic shape, simple, gorgeous!
Design philosophies change model to model and as time passes our expectations and likes/dislikes change as well.
It would be interesting to know what OP is driving now - 5 1/2+ years later.
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EDIT: Didn't realize this is an old thread.
A very meaningful point "K-A user": this IS an old Thread... (briefly, Jean Louis, in France, 70 years of age, eleven 911 owned between 1973 and now) so I express my utmost respects to Red Route 1, the Thread Starter. But seen from the end of 2017, the opening comment really makes me smile. Because whilst it made for an eye-catching message, there was not a great deal of substance in the argument. As another user picked up, the "money question" may have been involved, but surely, SURELY, not the allegedly inferior "pure Porsche experience" of the 991 !
The disturbing part of the opening argument was: unless you use your 911 every day -and I do, unless you occasionally take it to the track -as I do.... (but honestly, if you do neither, perhaps you should reconsider the wisdom of spending money on one of these wonderful 911s we all love)
I have been drectly involved with most generations of 911 since my 2.2L 1970 911T purchased in 1973, and every new generation has seen and heard the same arguments: the new one always "betrays" the original values, the style...etc etc etc"
I adored my 1970 911T... in 1973 ! Now I feel a huge respect for it, but I would not want to drive one daily. The 991 is the best 911 ever !! Simply because it has contributed its share to the continued improvement, modernization , and general bettering of the iconic sports car named 911. I owned three 997, including a Turbo, and they were absolutely brilliant. But the 991 has raised the stakes (as it should) in every domain. It is a fabulously pretty, balanced car. And the mechenical aspects show the same improvements (acceleration, road-holding, comfort...).
My only reservation came with the Phase2 models, and the small engine with turbos... the first time in 45 years as a Porsche-addict (no, as a 911-addict) that my favourite car took a step back instead of forward.
Long live the 911. And a very very Happy Christmas to all my Porsche friends across the Atlantic !!!!!
Excellent points Jean Louis! Couldn't have been said better. And for those small engines with the turbos... Many absolutely love them and perhaps rightly so, but I am with you on that
Merry Christmas!
Excellent points Jean Louis! Couldn't have been said better. And for those small engines with the turbos... Many absolutely love them and perhaps rightly so, but I am with you on that
Merry Christmas!
Thank you Papa Fittig. re. the 991 ph.2, I cannot speak for your side of the pond, but in Europe, the general feeling is unanimous: of course it sports a few more bhp (as it would) but the sound and the general feeling is a bit of a let down... However, tuners like Techart (whom I know very well, as I recently visited their premises) are delighted, as turbos are easy to tweak.
And my favourite engine remains unfortunately in limited-edition cars, and I shall never have one. I am of course speaking of the 4.0L normally aspirated 500bhp block (997 GT3 RS 4.0L, 991 R, 991 GT3 RS ph.2).
Well may I take this opportunity to wish you and everybody here a Lovely Christmas, and a lot of Porsche happiness !!
Well.. after 100k miles, .I just rid of my 07 997 Targa for a 991.1 Cab. I loved the 997 classy glass top, convenience of the hatchback, and aluminum trimming on the sides that gave it some elegance. I like that the 991.1 is almost a second faster....looks sexier and feels roomier.
Given that I like working on my old cars there is only one thing I really irritates me about the 991.1 vs 997..... though is not complicated why do we have to take so much crap off the car to do an oil change? Again, it is not that complicated...but you have to take the bumper off to change the air filter.....really??????
Just a minor inconvenience but when you are used to working on older cars, I find it irritating.
IMHO
Well.. after 100k miles, .I just rid of my 07 997 Targa for a 991.1 Cab. I loved the 997 classy glass top, convenience of the hatchback, and aluminum trimming on the sides that gave it some elegance. I like that the 991.1 is almost a second faster....looks sexier and feels roomier.
Given that I like working on my old cars there is only one thing I really irritates me about the 991.1 vs 997..... though is not complicated why do we have to take so much crap off the car to do an oil change? Again, it is not that complicated...but you have to take the bumper off to change the air filter.....really??????
Just a minor inconvenience but when you are used to working on older cars, I find it irritating.
IMHO
Abe
I see your point, Abe... on my 997 TT, they had to remove the engine in order to change the spark plugs !!!! (ok,ok, not remove exactly, but disconnect it fully from the car and drop it 2 or 3 inches. THAT was at the Porsche Centre in Bordeaux ! It is getting more and more impossible to tinker with modern cars.
In 1973 (yes!) I removed a carb from my 1970 911T and cleaned it -it was firing on five cyl- and put it back on... and my sweet flat six was purring again !! Unthinkable today.
Anyway, glad you are loving the 991 !! Enjoy, my distant Porsche friend !!!!! And a Happy 2018 to you and to those you love.
I see your point, Abe... on my 997 TT, they had to remove the engine in order to change the spark plugs !!!! (ok,ok, not remove exactly, but disconnect it fully from the car and drop it 2 or 3 inches. THAT was at the Porsche Centre in Bordeaux ! It is getting more and more impossible to tinker with modern cars.e.
just because they did that doesn't mean its necessary. I did my 997tt plugs without lowering the engine at all.
just because they did that doesn't mean its necessary. I did my 997tt plugs without lowering the engine at all.
He he he... as you can guess, I am no mechanic... I am relying on my Porsche Centre (maybe too much, but then, they have been reliable and reasonable for many years).
I admire people who can still "tinker" with the current generations of 911s... lift the 991 TTS bonnet.. and you see nothing but pretty plastic covers
12-22-2017, 09:34 PM
