991 v 997 FWIW
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Let the guy be. I'm sure he is getting flack about this, no matter why he did it. He shared this with us and I respect him for this.
All good in my book.
All good in my book.
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But kinda odd why he felt obliged to share it with the 991 guys. Better reserved for the 997 guys when you look at it....it'd make em feel better.
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I don't think there's much of a follow-up to be expected. It's useful to hear a counterpoint opinion, but I don't think there's much further to debate. If the 991 was leased or Texas taxes are less criminal than California for example (I'm pretty sure they are) then the burn wouldn't be too horrific and with relatively few cars initially at dealers, it would be something a dealer would be confident to take into inventory, plus significant discounting of the 997, the cost to change horses wouldn't be outrageous.
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They get the best deal you can give no matter what they buy because you want to keep them loyal.
Say one of them bought a 991. Drove it for a few hundred miles, brought it back, and wanted to trade it for another model. Would you put him over a barrel, or let him off easy?
It's a new in demand car that you could probably sell for what you sold it for originally, or more depending on the deal you gave him.
Some of us actually pay cash for our toys. I tend to keep mine for years, but I have friends that go through cars like my wife goes through shoes.
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I don't think there's much of a follow-up to be expected. It's useful to hear a counterpoint opinion, but I don't think there's much further to debate. If the 991 was leased or Texas taxes are less criminal than California for example (I'm pretty sure they are) then the burn wouldn't be too horrific and with relatively few cars initially at dealers, it would be something a dealer would be confident to take into inventory, plus significant discounting of the 997, the cost to change horses wouldn't be outrageous.
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I think we are all just speculating here boys. Shaken, not stirred...bruised but not beaten....whatever. Either way, my piece of speculation is there would be some remorse floating around in there somewhere. I can't imagine there would be too much rolling around the floor having fits of laughter after that little exercise. There is financial pain and then theres the psychological pain. Maybe why OP's gone under covers....altho what could one possibly add after doing something like that?
I wish him all the best.... best leave him be. God bless.
I wish him all the best.... best leave him be. God bless.
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So it sounds like you work for a dealer. You have a few customers who come in and pay cash for a new car every year. Right?
They get the best deal you can give no matter what they buy because you want to keep them loyal.
Say one of them bought a 991. Drove it for a few hundred miles, brought it back, and wanted to trade it for another model. Would you put him over a barrel, or let him off easy?
It's a new in demand car that you could probably sell for what you sold it for originally, or more depending on the deal you gave him.
Some of us actually pay cash for our toys. I tend to keep mine for years, but I have friends that go through cars like my wife goes through shoes.
They get the best deal you can give no matter what they buy because you want to keep them loyal.
Say one of them bought a 991. Drove it for a few hundred miles, brought it back, and wanted to trade it for another model. Would you put him over a barrel, or let him off easy?
It's a new in demand car that you could probably sell for what you sold it for originally, or more depending on the deal you gave him.
Some of us actually pay cash for our toys. I tend to keep mine for years, but I have friends that go through cars like my wife goes through shoes.
Sure we would do what we could to make the customer happy. There are just some things that are what they are because of it being used. So selling it for as much as first time around is a stretch.
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I think we are all just speculating here boys. Shaken, not stirred...bruised but not beaten....whatever. Either way, my piece of speculation is there would be some remorse floating around in there somewhere. I can't imagine there would be too much rolling around the floor having fits of laughter after that little exercise. There is financial pain and then theres the psychological pain. Maybe why OP's gone under covers....altho what could one possibly add after doing something like that?
I wish him all the best.... best leave him be. God bless.
I wish him all the best.... best leave him be. God bless.
I agree with what you said and I, too, wish him the best.
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Anyway best of luck to him.
All's good.
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No real argument with you Abby. I did say cash customer so no lease penalties.
Most of the guys I know who get a new car every year are cash buyers. Other than the capital they have tied up it generally costs them 10 to 15 grand per year depending in the car.
Back to my original point on utility. A few thousand isn't much to someone who can afford to keep 6 figures tied up in a weekend toy. Yes I'm just speculating about the OP. i dont really care and am not sure why i am still posting about this. this all started in response to someone's assumption that there was something fishy.
PS In Texas the sales tax is only on the difference between the price of the new car and trade in value of the old. Not really material to the decision.
Most of the guys I know who get a new car every year are cash buyers. Other than the capital they have tied up it generally costs them 10 to 15 grand per year depending in the car.
Back to my original point on utility. A few thousand isn't much to someone who can afford to keep 6 figures tied up in a weekend toy. Yes I'm just speculating about the OP. i dont really care and am not sure why i am still posting about this. this all started in response to someone's assumption that there was something fishy.
PS In Texas the sales tax is only on the difference between the price of the new car and trade in value of the old. Not really material to the decision.
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I guess If had appeared on the 997 section i probably wouldn't had batted an eyelid.
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I'm willing to bet he didn't sweat the 20k he lost, and having owned two 997s, and having driven the 991 I don't blame him. The 991 is objectively a better car in every measure, and far prettier too, but it isn't as fun to drive.
Hopefully the GT cars bring back the 911 experience.
Hopefully the GT cars bring back the 911 experience.
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I'm willing to bet he didn't sweat the 20k he lost, and having owned two 997s, and having driven the 991 I don't blame him. The 991 is objectively a better car in every measure, and far prettier too, but it isn't as fun to drive.
Hopefully the GT cars bring back the 911 experience.
Hopefully the GT cars bring back the 911 experience.
Fun to drive is a vague subjective quality... If we developed a fun to drive index, my rigs would lay out like this, ten being most fun. Of course, I have to divide rigs on two indexes based on length of trip.
Less than 200 miles
Scud 10
Strad 9.6
Gt3 997 8
997 turbo s cab 7
991 cab 7
1973 911s 9
Cobra 428 8
Malibu-Jackson wy run, or over 200 into 1000s of miles, including dirt and gravel
997 turbo s Cab ( will be replaced by 991 turbo s cab on launch) 10
991 s cab 9.6
Gt3 7
Scud 5
Strad 4
Cobra 0
73 s 4
fun in heart of partaker! Guys right for his self, nobody else