In line for a 991 GT3
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#17
Great question. Every sportscar I've ever owned had a manual until the PDK in my 997.2 S. I really like PDK, it's great for autocross and DE's, and the latest version is supposed to be greatly improved over mine. But a manual GT3 would be very sweet. I honestly don't know which I'd choose. I'm almost hoping Porsche makes the decision so I don't have to.....
Edit: This from Inside Line 2/14/2012 FWIW
STUTTGART, Germany — Porsche is evaluating a PDK gearbox for the next-generation GT3, due next year. August Achleitner, the 911 project chief, confirmed that Porsche's motorsport division is currently testing both manual and PDK versions of the new GT3. Only one transmission will ultimately be offered for sale, and Achleitner reckons the PDK is the favorite to get the nod.
Stick-shift 911s currently account for just 30 percent of sales. "When we launched the 911 Turbo S, we did not offer a manual, but we have not had a single complaint," Achleitner told Inside Line. A PDK-equipped GT3 would be the next logical step.
Achleitner also confirmed that the next-generation GT3 and GT2 will definitely feature a variant of the electromechanical steering system introduced on the new Carrera. He defended the system, which has been criticized for offering less driver feedback than a traditional hydraulic setup. "The new system only removes the feedback you don't need," he said. "All our race drivers prefer it."
Edit: This from Inside Line 2/14/2012 FWIW
STUTTGART, Germany — Porsche is evaluating a PDK gearbox for the next-generation GT3, due next year. August Achleitner, the 911 project chief, confirmed that Porsche's motorsport division is currently testing both manual and PDK versions of the new GT3. Only one transmission will ultimately be offered for sale, and Achleitner reckons the PDK is the favorite to get the nod.
Stick-shift 911s currently account for just 30 percent of sales. "When we launched the 911 Turbo S, we did not offer a manual, but we have not had a single complaint," Achleitner told Inside Line. A PDK-equipped GT3 would be the next logical step.
Achleitner also confirmed that the next-generation GT3 and GT2 will definitely feature a variant of the electromechanical steering system introduced on the new Carrera. He defended the system, which has been criticized for offering less driver feedback than a traditional hydraulic setup. "The new system only removes the feedback you don't need," he said. "All our race drivers prefer it."
Last edited by Mike in CA; 03-27-2012 at 02:36 PM.
#18
Will the 991 GT3 perform better (especially on track) than the current 997.2 GT3? No doubt it will. If all-out performance is the goal, that is the direction to go.
But, as in the Carrera case, some of us are not fans of the 911 for strict 'on-rails' performance. Many other cars perform (measure) better than a 911... For some of us the soul of a 911 and its personality is more important than all-out performance. YMMV.
Now... if that's what Mike wants and is happy with... more power to him. Knowing Mike, I know he will want to test the car before he buys it. He will appreciate the differences, and perhaps embrace the changes, or not.
But, as in the Carrera case, some of us are not fans of the 911 for strict 'on-rails' performance. Many other cars perform (measure) better than a 911... For some of us the soul of a 911 and its personality is more important than all-out performance. YMMV.
Now... if that's what Mike wants and is happy with... more power to him. Knowing Mike, I know he will want to test the car before he buys it. He will appreciate the differences, and perhaps embrace the changes, or not.
#20
Will the 991 GT3 perform better (especially on track) than the current 997.2 GT3? No doubt it will. If all-out performance is the goal, that is the direction to go.
But, as in the Carrera case, some of us are not fans of the 911 for strict 'on-rails' performance. Many other cars perform (measure) better than a 911... For some of us the soul of a 911 and its personality is more important than all-out performance. YMMV.
Now... if that's what Mike wants and is happy with... more power to him. Knowing Mike, I know he will want to test the car before he buys it. He will appreciate the differences, and perhaps embrace the changes, or not.
But, as in the Carrera case, some of us are not fans of the 911 for strict 'on-rails' performance. Many other cars perform (measure) better than a 911... For some of us the soul of a 911 and its personality is more important than all-out performance. YMMV.
Now... if that's what Mike wants and is happy with... more power to him. Knowing Mike, I know he will want to test the car before he buys it. He will appreciate the differences, and perhaps embrace the changes, or not.
#21
Your opinions on the 991 GT3 (or any car) are your own and you are entitled to them, but when you make unsubstantiated pronouncements on a complete stanger's motivation for buying one you're more than likely, as in this case, to be wrong.
Last edited by Mike in CA; 03-27-2012 at 08:56 PM.
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#23
Great question. Every sportscar I've ever owned had a manual until the PDK in my 997.2 S. I really like PDK, it's great for autocross and DE's, and the latest version is supposed to be greatly improved over mine. But a manual GT3 would be very sweet. I honestly don't know which I'd choose. I'm almost hoping Porsche makes the decision so I don't have to.....
Edit: This from Inside Line 2/14/2012 FWIW
STUTTGART, Germany — Porsche is evaluating a PDK gearbox for the next-generation GT3, due next year. August Achleitner, the 911 project chief, confirmed that Porsche's motorsport division is currently testing both manual and PDK versions of the new GT3. Only one transmission will ultimately be offered for sale, and Achleitner reckons the PDK is the favorite to get the nod.
Stick-shift 911s currently account for just 30 percent of sales. "When we launched the 911 Turbo S, we did not offer a manual, but we have not had a single complaint," Achleitner told Inside Line. A PDK-equipped GT3 would be the next logical step.
Achleitner also confirmed that the next-generation GT3 and GT2 will definitely feature a variant of the electromechanical steering system introduced on the new Carrera. He defended the system, which has been criticized for offering less driver feedback than a traditional hydraulic setup. "The new system only removes the feedback you don't need," he said. "All our race drivers prefer it."
Edit: This from Inside Line 2/14/2012 FWIW
STUTTGART, Germany — Porsche is evaluating a PDK gearbox for the next-generation GT3, due next year. August Achleitner, the 911 project chief, confirmed that Porsche's motorsport division is currently testing both manual and PDK versions of the new GT3. Only one transmission will ultimately be offered for sale, and Achleitner reckons the PDK is the favorite to get the nod.
Stick-shift 911s currently account for just 30 percent of sales. "When we launched the 911 Turbo S, we did not offer a manual, but we have not had a single complaint," Achleitner told Inside Line. A PDK-equipped GT3 would be the next logical step.
Achleitner also confirmed that the next-generation GT3 and GT2 will definitely feature a variant of the electromechanical steering system introduced on the new Carrera. He defended the system, which has been criticized for offering less driver feedback than a traditional hydraulic setup. "The new system only removes the feedback you don't need," he said. "All our race drivers prefer it."
#24
I know what you mean about sometimes wanting the decision to be made for you, and i like your other post about it potentially being 3 cars in 1...i may delay my decision on a new car and see what the GT3 looks like. i fear that the pricing will be around 150k though....given a nicely optioned S is about 130k ish...
Lots of numbers, lots of assumptions; maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I don't see Porsche changing their pricing structure that radically. No question you could option a 991 GT3 over $150K without any trouble. But I'm figuring on a a pretty basic car with maybe $10K of options that I could get out the door for under $150K. Anyway, that's my story, and for now I'm sticking to it.....
Last edited by Mike in CA; 03-27-2012 at 07:56 PM.
#26
Congrats Mike. I totally agree with your approach at age 61. Why not sample different flavors when you have the opportunity to do so. What happens if you don't like the car ? How much cash do you lose ?
As for me, every now and then I've been getting the itch to have a more performance oriented 911 myself. I am in Tony's camp when it comes to the Carrera line up on the 991 and am hoping for a different flavor in their GT line up of cars. 997 GT3RS might well be my next car. The problem is that the C4S is such a great all weather performer and is perfect for the PNW. One that is almost indispensable.
As for me, every now and then I've been getting the itch to have a more performance oriented 911 myself. I am in Tony's camp when it comes to the Carrera line up on the 991 and am hoping for a different flavor in their GT line up of cars. 997 GT3RS might well be my next car. The problem is that the C4S is such a great all weather performer and is perfect for the PNW. One that is almost indispensable.
Last edited by w00tPORSCHE; 03-28-2012 at 02:33 AM.
#27
Congrats Mike. I totally agree with your approach at age 61. Why not sample different flavors when you have the opportunity to do so. What happens if you don't like the car ? How much cash do you lose ?
As for me, every now and then I've been getting the itch to have a more performance oriented 911 myself. I am in Tony's camp when it comes to the Carrera line up on the 991 and am hoping for a different flavor in their GT line up of cars. 997 GT3RS might well be my next car. The problem is that the C4S is such a great all weather performer and is perfect for the PNW. One that is almost indispensable.
As for me, every now and then I've been getting the itch to have a more performance oriented 911 myself. I am in Tony's camp when it comes to the Carrera line up on the 991 and am hoping for a different flavor in their GT line up of cars. 997 GT3RS might well be my next car. The problem is that the C4S is such a great all weather performer and is perfect for the PNW. One that is almost indispensable.
#28
Congrats Mike. I totally agree with your approach at age 61. Why not sample different flavors when you have the opportunity to do so. What happens if you don't like the car ? How much cash do you lose ?
As for me, every now and then I've been getting the itch to have a more performance oriented 911 myself. I am in Tony's camp when it comes to the Carrera line up on the 991 and am hoping for a different flavor in their GT line up of cars. 997 GT3RS might well be my next car. The problem is that the C4S is such a great all weather performer and is perfect for the PNW. One that is almost indispensable.
As for me, every now and then I've been getting the itch to have a more performance oriented 911 myself. I am in Tony's camp when it comes to the Carrera line up on the 991 and am hoping for a different flavor in their GT line up of cars. 997 GT3RS might well be my next car. The problem is that the C4S is such a great all weather performer and is perfect for the PNW. One that is almost indispensable.
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