About the 991, in your opinion...
08-27-2011 | 06:59 PM
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"COMPLETELY different" as in totally, utterly different? (BTW, I think you mean 180 from your interior; 360 puts you back where you started 
) Anyway, let's see: 5 gauges and gauge binnacle check, same steering wheel and controls check, AC outlets in same place and similarly shaped check, PCM screen with climate and other controls below check, shifter check, seats check, dash wart check, light controls and key location check, releases for frunk and engine compartment check, foot pedals check, door pulls check, glove box check, trim on the dash check.
Yes, there are differences in detail and some additions like the door treatment and console, but COMPLETELY different? Really? As in, I'm looking at this interior and can't tell it's a Porsche 911?
I guess we just have different ideas of what "completely" means. That's ok. Thing is, the hyperbole around the 991 has become tiresome with people complaining, for example, how much lower the car is (it's not) and carping that the model designation on the rear of the car is terrible and a major departure for Porsche (it's not). Maybe we should stop exaggerating and freaking out over the relatively small details and look at the big picture of how the 991 is really an evolutionary design of the 911, and a damn well done one. Just my $.02
) Anyway, let's see: 5 gauges and gauge binnacle check, same steering wheel and controls check, AC outlets in same place and similarly shaped check, PCM screen with climate and other controls below check, shifter check, seats check, dash wart check, light controls and key location check, releases for frunk and engine compartment check, foot pedals check, door pulls check, glove box check, trim on the dash check. Yes, there are differences in detail and some additions like the door treatment and console, but COMPLETELY different? Really? As in, I'm looking at this interior and can't tell it's a Porsche 911?
I guess we just have different ideas of what "completely" means. That's ok. Thing is, the hyperbole around the 991 has become tiresome with people complaining, for example, how much lower the car is (it's not) and carping that the model designation on the rear of the car is terrible and a major departure for Porsche (it's not). Maybe we should stop exaggerating and freaking out over the relatively small details and look at the big picture of how the 991 is really an evolutionary design of the 911, and a damn well done one. Just my $.02
08-28-2011 | 12:57 AM
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Agreed.
Only correction is that the McLaren is nowhere near 3/4 million. Its $230K before options.
The console on the left hand side of the driver is new in the 991 and similar that of the McLaren. I lke it.
The more I see of the 991, the more I like it - damn. I was really hoping I didnt like it that much.
Only correction is that the McLaren is nowhere near 3/4 million. Its $230K before options.
The console on the left hand side of the driver is new in the 991 and similar that of the McLaren. I lke it.
The more I see of the 991, the more I like it - damn. I was really hoping I didnt like it that much.
08-28-2011 | 12:25 PM
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I'm excited about the 991.
It maintains and slightly improves the fantastic looks of the 997.x - Plus
It improves power, fuel mileage, quickness/speed. - Plus Plus
By significantly increasing the wheelbase it should be better handling for the masses - Big Plus, Plus, Plus for most
Interior, I'm indifferent, plus for some, minus for others - Push
Excessive badging in rear - Minus (But can be fixed with a heat gun in 5 minutes or badge delete in ordering)
Loss of mechanical hand brake. I will miss the most but realize this is the future - Plus/Minus
Can't please all the people all the time but this comes pretty close. My .02
It maintains and slightly improves the fantastic looks of the 997.x - Plus
It improves power, fuel mileage, quickness/speed. - Plus Plus
By significantly increasing the wheelbase it should be better handling for the masses - Big Plus, Plus, Plus for most
Interior, I'm indifferent, plus for some, minus for others - Push
Excessive badging in rear - Minus (But can be fixed with a heat gun in 5 minutes or badge delete in ordering)
Loss of mechanical hand brake. I will miss the most but realize this is the future - Plus/Minus
Can't please all the people all the time but this comes pretty close. My .02
08-28-2011 | 02:53 PM
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I'm excited about the 991.
It maintains and slightly improves the fantastic looks of the 997.x - Plus
It improves power, fuel mileage, quickness/speed. - Plus Plus
By significantly increasing the wheelbase it should be better handling for the masses - Big Plus, Plus, Plus for most
Interior, I'm indifferent, plus for some, minus for others - Push
Excessive badging in rear - Minus (But can be fixed with a heat gun in 5 minutes or badge delete in ordering)
Loss of mechanical hand brake. I will miss the most but realize this is the future - Plus/Minus
Can't please all the people all the time but this comes pretty close. My .02
It maintains and slightly improves the fantastic looks of the 997.x - Plus
It improves power, fuel mileage, quickness/speed. - Plus Plus
By significantly increasing the wheelbase it should be better handling for the masses - Big Plus, Plus, Plus for most
Interior, I'm indifferent, plus for some, minus for others - Push
Excessive badging in rear - Minus (But can be fixed with a heat gun in 5 minutes or badge delete in ordering)
Loss of mechanical hand brake. I will miss the most but realize this is the future - Plus/Minus
Can't please all the people all the time but this comes pretty close. My .02
agree w/ you on the handbrake. I forgot that its coming w/ a button instead. Its so odd that P claims the high and large center console is just like in motorsports but yet delete the handbrake???
I dont recall any race cars w/ electronic brakes.
08-28-2011 | 08:13 PM
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So your opinion is pure and unbiased and anyone who disagrees with you is a "fan boy"? Hmmmm........ Anyway, aside from the extended console there's not that much difference between the 997.2 interior and the 991. I just don't get what all the flap is about (must be my bias). As for the McLaren interior, it looks like something that would be appropriate for a video game console interface, not a 3/4 million dollar sports car. The car itself does look great in person, however, despite the dash.
The point is, and you cannot refute, they have RE-USED Panamera interior bit, and specially the centre console in 991 does indeed LOOK more luxury than sporty. This is exactly how they approached 996, shared the same headlights as Boxster for cost saving and people were upset so they had to change in later models.
At the end of the day, if you like the interior, good for you, and for Porsche. They will have their new buyers, but I still stand by my opinion, they have designed the car to be MORE luxury and LESS sporty, due to new markets and audience they're trying to target and I got a Porsche insider confirming that (Porsche is our Platinum Software partner).
Overall however I actually have to admit that the car looks MORE 911 than I anticipated! The exterior was very surprising at the end of the day and I am glad they didn't screw that up and kept the 911 look as much as possible.
Cheers!
08-28-2011 | 08:23 PM
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Alexb76,
First the pictures of the new interior in the 991 are with the seats reclined. This gives it an uncommon view. Porsche is trying to show us the potential buyers what the full dash with center console looks like. I am sure when you first see it and sit in it it will feel sporty.
The interiors of the cars you mentioned are not the type of sports cars one would drive everyday to work. Comparing what Audi is doing for the Asian market has no relevance to sports cars. Audi isn't making a R8L. It is just Audi's sedans.
You comment on Porsche's current ads are not to get the every soccer mom to drive a 911 to practice with the kids. It is to demonstrate that if you like performance cars and yes sports cars you don't have to save it for the weekend drives by yourself. If you have seen all of them it is about people appreciating their Porsche's. I like them all, but I can identify with the gentleman getting into his 911 GTS. I have had that exact same feeling after a long day. When I drove my 911 to work most days I always loved the drive home. And honestly wouldn't we all love to have a wife that liked to drive a 911 turbo? Well, may be that is pushing it. Not sure how many of us would like to wake up second to find our 911 gone because your wife drove it to work etc lol.
Porsche isn't saying the 991 is for everyone. They are saying it is for people that appreciate what Porsche brings to the automotive world with the 991. I am Porschephile not because I am blind to Porsche's mistakes but rather for it's engineering and it's quality and for the cars it builds.
Cheers,
First the pictures of the new interior in the 991 are with the seats reclined. This gives it an uncommon view. Porsche is trying to show us the potential buyers what the full dash with center console looks like. I am sure when you first see it and sit in it it will feel sporty.
The interiors of the cars you mentioned are not the type of sports cars one would drive everyday to work. Comparing what Audi is doing for the Asian market has no relevance to sports cars. Audi isn't making a R8L. It is just Audi's sedans.
You comment on Porsche's current ads are not to get the every soccer mom to drive a 911 to practice with the kids. It is to demonstrate that if you like performance cars and yes sports cars you don't have to save it for the weekend drives by yourself. If you have seen all of them it is about people appreciating their Porsche's. I like them all, but I can identify with the gentleman getting into his 911 GTS. I have had that exact same feeling after a long day. When I drove my 911 to work most days I always loved the drive home. And honestly wouldn't we all love to have a wife that liked to drive a 911 turbo? Well, may be that is pushing it. Not sure how many of us would like to wake up second to find our 911 gone because your wife drove it to work etc lol.
Porsche isn't saying the 991 is for everyone. They are saying it is for people that appreciate what Porsche brings to the automotive world with the 991. I am Porschephile not because I am blind to Porsche's mistakes but rather for it's engineering and it's quality and for the cars it builds.
Cheers,
I totally disagree with you that they're not looking or designing for a new audience. Audi was an example on how car manufacturer's are changing their models to suit markets. For instance, HOW MANY A4 L cars do you see in Europe? None!
I 100% agree with you on daily driving your Porsche and the great feeling you get from driving it on a daily basis. I have only ONE car and that's my 997, I even drive it in snow and to ski trips. I wish more people did that. However, I still want my Porsche to look/feel like a sports car that can be daily, NOT to look like another M3/M5/Jag which this 991 interior is designed to compete with.
I will stop commenting on the interior now, have to reserve judgement until I see one in person, it could be different. I hope I can make it to Fankfurt Auto Show, was there for Panamera unvelining and was totally underwhelmed.
08-28-2011 | 09:23 PM
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I simply pulled the pic off the Porsche website and although I looked, I couldn't find an identical wide angle 997.2 shot to compare to the one in the 991 catalog with the seats/console etc. I don't deny that there are elements of the console that resemble the Panamera and Cayenne although the actual size of the console is much different so I don't know how much savings is gained; some of the actual buttons no doubt are reused. Porsche's stated reason for the rising center console is to mimic the console in the 918 and no doubt they are also trying to create a "family" design for their interiors.What's important, of course is how well the design succeeds. Obviously it doesn't really work for you; I see it as an evolution of the current interior and find it attactive. I think it will look plenty sporty with the right colors etc. You may disagree. What's certain is that in today's market Porsche can't afford to stand still with their designs.
08-28-2011 | 09:40 PM
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Every car maker is scrambling to find ways to reduce weight and the electric e-brake is lighter than a mechanical e-brake assembly. Also cheaper to produce, FWIW. I have one in my 2011 Cayenne S. Better than a foot operated parking brake but I still prefer a pull up handbrake. Guess I'll just have to adjust.
08-28-2011 | 09:57 PM
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Of course race cars don't have parking brakes at all. Every car maker is scrambling to find ways to reduce weight and the electric e-brake is lighter than a mechanical e-brake assembly. Also cheaper to produce, FWIW. I have one in my 2011 Cayenne S. Better than a foot operated parking brake but I still prefer a pull up handbrake. Guess I'll just have to adjust.
Every car maker is scrambling to find ways to reduce weight and the electric e-brake is lighter than a mechanical e-brake assembly. Also cheaper to produce, FWIW. I have one in my 2011 Cayenne S. Better than a foot operated parking brake but I still prefer a pull up handbrake. Guess I'll just have to adjust. ). However, I am much more worried about electrical steering! That could seriously be the make or break for 991!
08-28-2011 | 09:58 PM
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No conspiracy involved, Alex. I simply pulled the pic off the Porsche website and although I looked, I couldn't find an identical wide angle 997.2 shot to compare to the one in the 991 catalog with the seats/console etc. I don't deny that there are elements of the console that resemble the Panamera and Cayenne although the actual size of the console is much different so I don't know how much savings is gained; some of the actual buttons no doubt are reused. Porsche's stated reason for the rising center console is to mimic the console in the 918 and no doubt they are also trying to create a "family" design for their interiors.
What's important, of course is how well the design succeeds. Obviously it doesn't really work for you; I see it as an evolution of the current interior and find it attactive. I think it will look plenty sporty with the right colors etc. You may disagree. What's certain is that in today's market Porsche can't afford to stand still with their designs.
I simply pulled the pic off the Porsche website and although I looked, I couldn't find an identical wide angle 997.2 shot to compare to the one in the 991 catalog with the seats/console etc. I don't deny that there are elements of the console that resemble the Panamera and Cayenne although the actual size of the console is much different so I don't know how much savings is gained; some of the actual buttons no doubt are reused. Porsche's stated reason for the rising center console is to mimic the console in the 918 and no doubt they are also trying to create a "family" design for their interiors.What's important, of course is how well the design succeeds. Obviously it doesn't really work for you; I see it as an evolution of the current interior and find it attactive. I think it will look plenty sporty with the right colors etc. You may disagree. What's certain is that in today's market Porsche can't afford to stand still with their designs.
I think we should all wait and see it in person... I sure hope it's not as bad as pics!
08-29-2011 | 12:24 AM
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Some people identify the 991 center console to panamera's but they forget that this design is taken from Carrera GT. Contrary from the comments here, it is designed with sport function in mind. It places the gear shift lever closer to the steering wheel for better control (well in manual tranny, anyway). This is a common mod for serious track cars and there are two ways this have been done: 1) elevate the gear lever mechanism or 2) elongate gear lever ( i.e. cup cars, R and RSR). 991 took the first approach and gave it a more luxurious take, which is appropriate if they are to compete with other makes. Besides, 911 comes in more flavors (trims) than baskin robins... from luxury sports cars to precision track instruments. Im sure every one who wants one will find one with the best fit for their use. It is a good approach that has worked very well so I won't disagree.
08-29-2011 | 12:42 AM
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The interior of the 991 will forever look like cheesy Cantoni furniture. I dislike it as a design regardless of its inspiration or purported functional benefits. It is not a matter of getting used to it. We've seen it now in the Panorama and Cayenne, and it never looks any better. It is simply hideous from an aesthetic standpoint.
08-29-2011 | 12:47 AM
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These same sort of comments where posted about the Panamera. Much of that "I hate it" talk stopped when people saw it in person.