Xpost: C&D drives the 991
06-30-2011, 12:07 AM
#46
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I wonder how many here on the 997 GT3 forums will graduate in the coming years to the 991 GT3 forums? Interesting huh?
06-30-2011, 12:21 AM
#47
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Another preview -- InsideLine - First Ride.
"The next big change involves the wheelbase. Since its launch in 1963, the 911's short wheelbase has been a defining characteristic of the car much like the flat-6 engine in the trunk.
But now, and for only the fourth time in 48 years, that wheelbase has been extended. By how much we can't say, as our access to the car was made on the condition that we would keep certain details under wraps. We can say that the extra space between the wheels does more than merely provide more legroom in the back; it fundamentally affects the character of the car."
"The next big change involves the wheelbase. Since its launch in 1963, the 911's short wheelbase has been a defining characteristic of the car much like the flat-6 engine in the trunk.
But now, and for only the fourth time in 48 years, that wheelbase has been extended. By how much we can't say, as our access to the car was made on the condition that we would keep certain details under wraps. We can say that the extra space between the wheels does more than merely provide more legroom in the back; it fundamentally affects the character of the car."
06-30-2011, 12:38 AM
#48
I am a little surprised by the interior and it is not attracting my eyes. I would have thought taking queues from the Panamera would have given a more integrated/elegant interior. Instead the door panels look very busy as does the top of the dash. The dash actually looks more 7 series BMWish than Panameraish. Another surprise is its only 55 lbs (25kg) lighter than the 997. I read earlier reports that there was a much greater use of aluminum that includes the doors (like current 997 Turbos and GT cars) and the front fenders. This will mean negligible weight difference for the next series of GT cars.
06-30-2011, 09:30 AM
#49
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honestly, I dont know what I am talking about, but I always understood that PSM would re-activate upon hard braking in the non GT cars ... where off means off.
however I may be making that statement through an orifice not normally associated with such statements!
having made such a statement, I now do not recall seeing such behavior on any 997 that I have tracked ...
I recall having this discussion a couple of years back in regard to the TC on the 7.1 cars and doing some googling ...
its a real bummer when you cant do that ... a certain E92 M3 I might have driven recently had the ability to turn DSC off disabled, as a result it came on
every time through the exit of ex-muhle ... sigh
maybe someone who knows what they are talking about can comment?
however I may be making that statement through an orifice not normally associated with such statements!
having made such a statement, I now do not recall seeing such behavior on any 997 that I have tracked ...
I recall having this discussion a couple of years back in regard to the TC on the 7.1 cars and doing some googling ...
its a real bummer when you cant do that ... a certain E92 M3 I might have driven recently had the ability to turn DSC off disabled, as a result it came on
every time through the exit of ex-muhle ... sigh
maybe someone who knows what they are talking about can comment?
The 996 and 997 non GT cars all have PSM that can be switched off so to speak but monitors the car's stability and will re-engage with extreme braking and sudden direction change. Thus it is never trully off regardless of settings...
06-30-2011, 09:51 AM
#50
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As for the 991, i'm not seeing anything that is blowing me away... I don't feel that a longer, wider 911 is what the brand needed and the interior is nothing we haven't already seen... I remember seeing claims here of weight savings in the range of 200lb for GT models... That is impossible IMO if pre-production non GT versions are only 55lb lighter with "extensive use of aluminium and high strength steel" already used...
The motor change is an unknown. Lets hope they use all that money saved on the motors to carbon fibre everything else... I don't plan on ever parting with my GT3... Lets see if they'll put together something that may make me think twice...
The motor change is an unknown. Lets hope they use all that money saved on the motors to carbon fibre everything else... I don't plan on ever parting with my GT3... Lets see if they'll put together something that may make me think twice...
06-30-2011, 10:44 AM
#51
But I look at the 997.1 and think it's nearly as good as the 993. I look at the 997.2 and think it's exactly the same as the 997.1, only different. And I'd still jettison the LED taillight enclosures and go to the "lightweight" 997.1 incandescent taillights if it were an option.
06-30-2011, 11:02 AM
#52
Race Director
Maybe Porsche can have a Electric Starter Delete option
and you can hand crank the car. Might save a few pounds huh?
and you can hand crank the car. Might save a few pounds huh?
06-30-2011, 11:07 AM
#53
probably...but I am just not feeling it. 991 looks way out of proportion to typical 911 lines that have attracted so many. And sorry that interior...is fugly, not sure why the direction is going the panamera route...terrible decision by porsche
06-30-2011, 11:33 AM
#54
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As for the 991, i'm not seeing anything that is blowing me away... I don't feel that a longer, wider 911 is what the brand needed and the interior is nothing we haven't already seen... I remember seeing claims here of weight savings in the range of 200lb for GT models... That is impossible IMO if pre-production non GT versions are only 55lb lighter with "extensive use of aluminium and high strength steel" already used...
The motor change is an unknown. Lets hope they use all that money saved on the motors to carbon fibre everything else... I don't plan on ever parting with my GT3... Lets see if they'll put together something that may make me think twice...
The motor change is an unknown. Lets hope they use all that money saved on the motors to carbon fibre everything else... I don't plan on ever parting with my GT3... Lets see if they'll put together something that may make me think twice...
06-30-2011, 11:45 AM
#56
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Larry, in a nut shell, you guys are correct with your recollection... The 996 and 997.1 GT cars didn't have PSM and the 997.2 GT cars have PSM which is track tuned and completely defeatable. That is, once off, it stays off regardless.
The 996 and 997 non GT cars all have PSM that can be switched off so to speak but monitors the car's stability and will re-engage with extreme braking and sudden direction change. Thus it is never trully off regardless of settings...
The 996 and 997 non GT cars all have PSM that can be switched off so to speak but monitors the car's stability and will re-engage with extreme braking and sudden direction change. Thus it is never trully off regardless of settings...
06-30-2011, 12:27 PM
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not feeling the new car at all. early days, though; always give them the benefit of the doubt. time, WILL TELL...
got that sedan interior. maybe because porsche are planning to double production numbers so they have to attract certain buyers....
got that sedan interior. maybe because porsche are planning to double production numbers so they have to attract certain buyers....
06-30-2011, 12:36 PM
#58
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The new 991 pics we are seeing are disguised still...final looks are not revealed yet.
06-30-2011, 02:00 PM
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That's an ugly 911, the proportions don't look 911 at all.
Hopefully, the 991 will cause massive depreciation on the 997, so I can pick up one of those white 4.0 RS for cheap change.
Hopefully, the 991 will cause massive depreciation on the 997, so I can pick up one of those white 4.0 RS for cheap change.