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Old 04-27-2011, 01:06 PM
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When the 991 starts production at Zuffenhausen, it will be assembled (that's what is really happening) alongside the 997s. With Just In Time production, Porsche puts the responsibility for retooling upon their vendors, and all they do is assemble the parts. Porsche has been assembling Boxsters alongside Carreras for some time at Zuffenhausen. Although there are many differences between those models, the assemblers don't care--they just bolt together what they are handed.
Old 04-27-2011, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by brendo
buy a used 997 now. upgrade later when you know in what you want in more detail.
+1. Get a 2007 C4S now, and then wait for 991. We still don't know if the larger size and the other Panamera CRAP is gonna add to the sports car feel or dumb it down!
Old 04-27-2011, 02:49 PM
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I don't think you'll be seeing new 991s on the road until this time next year and I wouldn't make the mistake of buying in the first year of production again. Last time I made that mistake the car must have spent the first year back at the dealer having parts replaced. So both opinions point to the wisdom of buying a reliable used 997 for a heavily depreciated discount and enjoying what may turn out to be a better sports car than its replacement. And if the 911 gets better still, swap in 2 years time for a proven winner. You can't lose.
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I wish I had a crystal ball to see my future value of my 07 C4S. I doubt I will have a total of 15K on the ODO by this time next year.
I just don't want to see some huge drop in value when the 991 hits in large numbers...

The head of Porsche is stating that the next gen 911 will be the most popular ever, and built in the largest numbers ever....
Old 04-27-2011, 04:55 PM
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I would go with a 997 that has a warranty (CPO or original) thru the Fall of 2013 and pick up a second-year 991. My CPO warranty runs out July of 2012, I probably will get an aftermarket two-year warranty and pull the trigger on a 991 in the Fall of 2013.
Old 04-27-2011, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pewter82
I wish I had a crystal ball to see my future value of my 07 C4S. I doubt I will have a total of 15K on the ODO by this time next year.
I just don't want to see some huge drop in value when the 991 hits in large numbers...

The head of Porsche is stating that the next gen 911 will be the most popular ever, and built in the largest numbers ever....
If it is the mot popular ever, and built in the largest numbers, does that mean that the 997 (while there is no shortage), may actually have some cachet value for the purists. (I suppose the same can be said by those who bought the last 993's - but that really was a different car and I think there are not nearly as many of them as 997's). I guess we'll know soon enough.
Old 04-27-2011, 07:04 PM
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Why does the 997 have cachet? Or at least anymore than the FIRST watercooled 911s, the 996?

I don't see why 997 values wont drop. They will be an older car with, likely, less performance than their replacements. Surely people still aren't caught up in "new porsche as investment" vehicle. 996's that were 75-120K sell regularly in the $20-40K range.

911 production values need to go higher to help Porsche acheive VW set sales targets. Sure, Panamera and Cayenne will be asked to sell even more popularly, but all models will be asked to do their part.
Old 04-27-2011, 07:37 PM
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Quoted in my latest issue of 911 & Porsche , Matthius Muller stated Porsche will launch a major new model every year, and promised a few exciting surprises. He confirms the sub boxster mid-engined car for 2014. He expects the new 911 to be unwrapped autumn 2011, "it will be the most successful of all time, we want to sell 30,000 units a year" he predicts.

Hmmmm...

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Old 04-27-2011, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by racer
Why does the 997 have cachet? Or at least anymore than the FIRST watercooled 911s, the 996?

I don't see why 997 values wont drop. They will be an older car with, likely, less performance than their replacements. Surely people still aren't caught up in "new porsche as investment" vehicle. 996's that were 75-120K sell regularly in the $20-40K range.

911 production values need to go higher to help Porsche acheive VW set sales targets. Sure, Panamera and Cayenne will be asked to sell even more popularly, but all models will be asked to do their part.
Cachet and value/investment are two separate things. BMW makes lots and lots of 3 series but my 1990 325i gets less and less common every year (where I live). It's not worth crap, and is by no means a mechanical marvel, but it has the cachet (mark of distinction) of not being common. It will take a long, long time for the 997 to be less common but in 2031, if you see one, outdated as it will be, you'll notice it - and that is what I meant by cachet.
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Congratulations, great car! Would you mind sharing the percentage or dollar discount you got on the GTS.

Originally Posted by Tcc1999
FWIW, I went w/ a discounted 2012 997GTS rather than wait on the 991 and pay MSRP for a car that I may or may not really like. I'll wait for any bugs to be sorted out if and when I ever jump to a 991.
Old 06-20-2011, 01:10 AM
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Would you mind sharing what kind of deal you got -- percentage or dollar discount? I have reingnited the itch and am not sure if should pull the trigger, but will likely do it if I think the deal is right. Thanks!

Originally Posted by jimand7
I just bought a c4s 2011 brand new. I got a good deal and needed AWD and wanted the S.
Old 06-20-2011, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by vkachl
Hi, newbie here. I am still researching on buying my first porsche, and I have my eyes set on 2011 997 C4. Should I hold out for 2012 991 or get the 997 C4 now?
Tough decision. If you're the kind of person who turns over their cars every two or 3 years anyway then there's no problem in going for the 997 now and the 991 a few years down the road. OTOH, if you plan to keep whatever Porsche you buy for a long time then it's a different story. I love my '09 C2S PDK and have no intention of trading it for a 991 for any foreseeable future. However, if I was in the market for a long term Carrera right now, I'd wait for the 991. I simply don't believe that Porsche's new 911 is going to be an undesireable car, or that it's going to have numerous teething problems despite all the concerns voiced here about both those issues. It's not going to be completely new technology; it will have a direct injection engine, PDK or manual gearbox, and other proven mechanical features very similar to the current car wrapped in a modified package. It will be lighter, faster, and more efficient, and I refuse to believe it won't handle like a 911 should. Just my $.02.
Old 06-20-2011, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by brendo
buy a used 997 now. upgrade later when you know in what you want in more detail.
Is your icon a staged photo? Or were you really pulled over and decided to take a quick snap shot while you waited?!



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