"911 has become the BMW 5 Series of sports cars"
12-21-2010, 10:40 AM
#61
I'm in my mid 30's and I'll be in the market for a new fun car next year. Yeah there are far fewer people my age that are into cars and it seems with every new generation the desire for fun sporty cars further declines.
Having said that I'm leanings towards a Boxster or a Miata at the moment. !
Having said that I'm leanings towards a Boxster or a Miata at the moment. !
I think these cars (boxster, cayman) are great bargains. The prices of used models are dropping really fast. I was just reading in the latest Excellence that you can get a 2002 Boxster with less than 50k miles for ~$16k. I am not sure I would get something from that year but am just throwing that out as an example of prices these days.
Good luck.
-T
12-21-2010, 11:15 AM
#63
Race Director
I suspect the new 991 platform is being engineered to be even more flexible than the current 997.2. Just look at that weird sunroof: isn’t it obvious that this will be a modular panel that can be ordered in different flavors by different buyers? (maybe fixed carbon for the track junkies, sliding glass for the targa crowd, etc). And you can bet there will be a variety of driveline choices as well: base, S, GT3, GT3RS, turbo, turbo S, powerkits for the S and turbo, choice of 6-speed or PDK, three or four different seating options, three or four different suspension options, LSD option, 4wd option, etc, etc.
12-21-2010, 11:31 AM
#64
Race Director
How much of that fun is waxing about the old days? I know when I drive my 993, it takes me back to when I was in school. Good times! Just wondering. I totally see the appeal of driving a classic 911. But the way some posters go on about it, they make it sound like all new Porsche somehow not honest. Far from it.
The new porsche...well, I don't know how honest it is. Drive By Wire, PDK, traction control, etc etc reduce that honesty a bit for me. I want to drive the car, not having it driven for me by some (very brilliant) computers.
To me a 997 is a daily driver that you can have some fun with on the weekends....not unlike a mercedes SL or a BMW M3. I could not justify having a second car if I owned one.
I think the statement is full of **** to be honest. My first Porsche was a 1985 3.2, then got a 964, 996 and now my 997.2S. I loved them all. But my 997.2S is the one I like the most. No doubt about it. The 3.2 was a great car, fast and sporty. But almost very thing inside was barely adequate. Air con was marginal. Comfort was not its strong suit. The 997.2 is fast, very fast and really sporty. Everything inside the car works beautifully and doesn't compromise the sporty feel. I feel that Porsche has gotten it right. more so now than ever.
12-21-2010, 12:59 PM
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Don't forget, other cars from the era of classic 911's were also dangerous to drive. Heck even everyday cars like the first Honda Accords could get you in trouble quick if driven past it anemic limits.
12-21-2010, 01:39 PM
#66
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Porsche's goal is that the new model will be no heavier then the old model, this to me is a decent goal though. I wish it were lighter but with all the new standards that are forced on car manufacturers, I can live with it.
I don't think you'll find some other car out there on the market that has the same safety, electronics add ons and weights less with the same track performance.
These cars can go through a war and the driver will still be safe and with the current weight and the fact that they lap the ring in under 8 min that is a fabulous car.
12-21-2010, 02:14 PM
#67
Relative speaking, any mass produced 8-9 year old used car will be super cheap compared to MSRP. But if you consider that you can pick up a used 2002 Mercedes S-class or BMW 7 series for about the same price as the Boxster, Porches are holding their value pretty well.
12-21-2010, 03:07 PM
#68
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Well seeing past photos, these new photos are actually nice!
Porsche's goal is that the new model will be no heavier then the old model, this to me is a decent goal though. I wish it were lighter but with all the new standards that are forced on car manufacturers, I can live with it.
I don't think you'll find some other car out there on the market that has the same safety, electronics add ons and weights less with the same track performance.
These cars can go through a war and the driver will still be safe and with the current weight and the fact that they lap the ring in under 8 min that is a fabulous car.
Porsche's goal is that the new model will be no heavier then the old model, this to me is a decent goal though. I wish it were lighter but with all the new standards that are forced on car manufacturers, I can live with it.
I don't think you'll find some other car out there on the market that has the same safety, electronics add ons and weights less with the same track performance.
These cars can go through a war and the driver will still be safe and with the current weight and the fact that they lap the ring in under 8 min that is a fabulous car.
i think it looks great.
can`t wait to see most of folks getting it so 997.1 gt3 rs would drop in asking price so i could finally get one.
12-21-2010, 03:13 PM
#69
Race Director
An 80s honda accord will plow like nobodies business at low speeds.
A torsion bar 911 will snap the rear end around very quickly with some sloppy footwork.
12-21-2010, 03:47 PM
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12-21-2010, 05:58 PM
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What pisses me off about this magazine write up is that they have such contradictory views on the same thing. I researched 911s a ton before I bought mine last year. This mag's recommendation? Buy the newest 911 you can afford. So I buy a new one in 09 and then months later they trash'em?
I think the benefit of such a broad 911 line is that they are so customizable. If the GT3 were the only one that sold, it would be the only one they made. Dont get me wrong. I LOVE the GT3. It just wasnt for me.
What I love about mine is that comparatively it's light weight compared to what BMW's done to the M3. Its a blast to drive and has such a pure communication w/ the road.
Chuck
09 997.2 S w/ SPASM & a stick
I think the benefit of such a broad 911 line is that they are so customizable. If the GT3 were the only one that sold, it would be the only one they made. Dont get me wrong. I LOVE the GT3. It just wasnt for me.
What I love about mine is that comparatively it's light weight compared to what BMW's done to the M3. Its a blast to drive and has such a pure communication w/ the road.
Chuck
09 997.2 S w/ SPASM & a stick
12-21-2010, 05:59 PM
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I like the looks of these latest pics. Actually make the 911 look a bit more "exotic". I'm definitely not rushing to judgement against it. I like the fact that my 997 is sporty and a DD. Its the perfect all around car. I dont need a BMW and a 3.2 or a 993. After having owned the older Porsche's - not sure I'm drawn back to them. Although a 993 convertible for putering about on a Sunday would be nice .
I am considering a 2011 Cayenne (in addition to the 997).
.I am considering a 2011 Cayenne (in addition to the 997).
12-21-2010, 09:01 PM
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That last sentence can be applied to BMW and Mercedes-Benz as well. If you were a German MFG, you either complied with the **** war machine or you were shot. That's just the way it was.