Here's why the 991 will be a great car
09-25-2010, 11:21 AM
#31
Rennlist Member
To my taste, 40/60 is a much better weight balance than 50/50. That's why I buy 911s instead of some other car.
09-25-2010, 01:04 PM
#32
09-25-2010, 01:18 PM
#34
For those wanting the engine to move closer to the center of the car, why not a Cayman S? That makes more sense to me rather than hoping Porsche slowly turns the 911 into a mid-engined car.
To my taste, 40/60 is a much better weight balance than 50/50. That's why I buy 911s instead of some other car.
To my taste, 40/60 is a much better weight balance than 50/50. That's why I buy 911s instead of some other car.
AFAIK, No need to buy that rear engine 911 to get a 40/60.
For example:
Carrera GT is mid engined and is 41/59.
Enzo = 44/56
Saleen S7 = 41/59
MT900S = 40/60
Mid engined 911? BRING IT ON! Think of the improved HANDLING DYNAMICS which you guys love.
09-25-2010, 01:27 PM
#35
Nordschleife Master
For those wanting a smaller more sporty car, why not a Cayman S? Granted the power is on the lower side but when you think about it, it's still a ton of engine for such a small package and with the mid engine design you can't ask for better weight balance.
I think the enthusiasts will migrate to the Cayman and those wanting a true GT car will buy the 911.
I think the enthusiasts will migrate to the Cayman and those wanting a true GT car will buy the 911.
09-25-2010, 01:28 PM
#36
Nordschleife Master
For those wanting the engine to move closer to the center of the car, why not a Cayman S? That makes more sense to me rather than hoping Porsche slowly turns the 911 into a mid-engined car.
To my taste, 40/60 is a much better weight balance than 50/50. That's why I buy 911s instead of some other car.
To my taste, 40/60 is a much better weight balance than 50/50. That's why I buy 911s instead of some other car.
09-25-2010, 01:30 PM
#37
Rennlist Member
Those are all impressive cars, for certain. But none would be a suitable alternative to my 911 and none are rear-engine platforms.
Yes -- I really mean that. I would not by happy with an Enzo if I had to give up my GT3 for it. I couldn't use an Enzo the way I use my GT3. I wouldn't mind adding an Enzo to my garage, but it couldn't replace my 911.
As you mentioned, there are countless mid-engine cars on the market if that's what you truly want. Why insist on ruining the 911? Just buy one of those other cars which you'd obviously be happier with and leave the 911 alone.
Yes -- I really mean that. I would not by happy with an Enzo if I had to give up my GT3 for it. I couldn't use an Enzo the way I use my GT3. I wouldn't mind adding an Enzo to my garage, but it couldn't replace my 911.
Mid engined 911? BRING IT ON! Think of the improved HANDLING DYNAMICS which you guys love.
09-25-2010, 01:36 PM
#38
Nordschleife Master
Those are all impressive cars, for certain. But none would be a suitable alternative to my 911 and none are rear-engine platforms.
Yes -- I really mean that. I would not by happy with an Enzo if I had to give up my GT3 for it. I couldn't use an Enzo the way I use my GT3. I wouldn't mind adding an Enzo to my garage, but it couldn't replace my 911.
As you mentioned, there are countless mid-engine cars on the market if that's what you truly want. Why insist on ruining the 911? Just buy one of those other cars which you'd obviously be happier with and leave the 911 alone.
Yes -- I really mean that. I would not by happy with an Enzo if I had to give up my GT3 for it. I couldn't use an Enzo the way I use my GT3. I wouldn't mind adding an Enzo to my garage, but it couldn't replace my 911.
As you mentioned, there are countless mid-engine cars on the market if that's what you truly want. Why insist on ruining the 911? Just buy one of those other cars which you'd obviously be happier with and leave the 911 alone.
911 fans were turned off when the 964 and 996 came into the scene, but I suspect the nail on the coffin is being hammered now.
09-25-2010, 01:46 PM
#39
Those are all impressive cars, for certain. But none would be a suitable alternative to my 911 and none are rear-engine platforms.
Yes -- I really mean that. I would not by happy with an Enzo if I had to give up my GT3 for it. I couldn't use an Enzo the way I use my GT3. I wouldn't mind adding an Enzo to my garage, but it couldn't replace my 911.
As you mentioned, there are countless mid-engine cars on the market if that's what you truly want. Why insist on ruining the 911? Just buy one of those other cars which you'd obviously be happier with and leave the 911 alone.
Yes -- I really mean that. I would not by happy with an Enzo if I had to give up my GT3 for it. I couldn't use an Enzo the way I use my GT3. I wouldn't mind adding an Enzo to my garage, but it couldn't replace my 911.
As you mentioned, there are countless mid-engine cars on the market if that's what you truly want. Why insist on ruining the 911? Just buy one of those other cars which you'd obviously be happier with and leave the 911 alone.
I thought the 40-60 weight distribution was the deciding factor for you? If so then you got all sorts of choices and they're mid engined. Now you seem to be talking want a daily driver (GT3 vs. Enzo) "I couldn't use an Enzo the way I use my GT3."
Me? Too much money for just a [stupid] car, too exotic, not daily driver material, that's why.
I don't want to ruin 911, I want a 600HP mid-engined Porsche that doesn't cost $500K. Never gonna happen of course.
Nobody I can imagine buys a car based on it's "polar moment" qualities.
BTW, do you and ADias actually track your cars? I didn't catch it if you are in fact track rats.
09-25-2010, 01:54 PM
#40
We were brought up watching the 911 whine past us while we were on our bikes and vowed we'd own one some day.
Public roads only allow straight line HP/Tq to be experienced "safely."
Getting frisky on twisty back roads is also part of the fun BUT you can get cuffed and stuffed, not to mention kill somebody doing that.
Some of us have had three Porsches, have the three volume Ludvigsen set, subscribe to Exce11ence, and are long time PCA members. WTF do you expect?
ADias: How often do you track your car and enjoy it's "characteristics?" Every week? Once a month? Never?
Just asking.
09-25-2010, 02:01 PM
#41
Nordschleife Master
You've been repeating what everybody knows. How is it supposed to "register?"
We were brought up watching the 911 whine past us while we were on our bikes and vowed we'd own one some day.
Public roads only allow straight line HP/Tq to be experienced "safely."
Getting frisky on twisty back roads is also part of the fun BUT you can get cuffed and stuffed, not to mention kill somebody doing that.
Some of us have had three Porsches, have the three volume Ludvigsen set, subscribe to Exce11ence, and are long time PCA members. WTF do you expect?
ADias: How often do you track your car and enjoy it's "characteristics?" Every week? Once a month? Never?
Just asking.
We were brought up watching the 911 whine past us while we were on our bikes and vowed we'd own one some day.
Public roads only allow straight line HP/Tq to be experienced "safely."
Getting frisky on twisty back roads is also part of the fun BUT you can get cuffed and stuffed, not to mention kill somebody doing that.
Some of us have had three Porsches, have the three volume Ludvigsen set, subscribe to Exce11ence, and are long time PCA members. WTF do you expect?
ADias: How often do you track your car and enjoy it's "characteristics?" Every week? Once a month? Never?
Just asking.
Why so defensive? Just asking.
09-25-2010, 03:04 PM
#42
Race Director
09-25-2010, 03:11 PM
#43
09-25-2010, 03:34 PM
#44
Nordschleife Master
Your thesis that straight-line acceleration is safe on the open road and canyon carving isn't, is blatantly misinformed. I know twisty roads where high-performance driving can be done well within the posted speed limit and posing no risk to other drivers. OTOH, I've seen primal jackrabbit overtaking on busy roads with sorry results. I guess it's what one knows.
09-25-2010, 03:46 PM
#45
I do not have to answer you. Rest assured though that I do experience the characteristics I care about quite often - on and off track.
Your thesis that straight-line acceleration is safe on the open road and canyon carving isn't, is blatantly misinformed. I know twisty roads where high-performance driving can be done well within the posted speed limit and posing no risk to other drivers. OTOH, I've seen primal jackrabbit overtaking on busy roads with sorry results. I guess it's what one knows.
Your thesis that straight-line acceleration is safe on the open road and canyon carving isn't, is blatantly misinformed. I know twisty roads where high-performance driving can be done well within the posted speed limit and posing no risk to other drivers. OTOH, I've seen primal jackrabbit overtaking on busy roads with sorry results. I guess it's what one knows.
High performance driving in your C2S Porsche reaching it's unique handling dynamics potential within posted speed limits on public roads?
If you say so. Whatever. Thanks for telling where you get your driving experience.
