B Russ

There are some interesting ways of looking at ownership in this group. Worrying about how much of a loss you take when you sell the car is something I never consider. Im a consumer and buy my cars to enjoy them knowing there is 99% chance when I move on from it I will be getting less than I paid. If Im worrying about the depreciation amount I/you shouldn't be buying the car. Also making decisions on the "purest" market 2-4 years down the road?? Ill put my $$ in the S&P 500.

rsyed

don't get me wrong, but I think youare suffering from the same issue that 75% of car enthusiasts have... you are bored and looking for a reason for change. Whilst searching your posts to see whether you have a .1 or .2, I saw you posted a couple of months ago when you considered switching to a 992 S. And now you are posting about switching to a T. I know this feeling - constant need for change :-)

You have an amazing car with the GTS.. wide body, center locks, lots of gts specific features. I would never consider switching to a T... but that is me: i am a big fan of the wide body having owned both at the same time and having them next to each other in the garage.

stout

Both great.

Speaking personally: If you offer me one key between a T in a spec I like and a GTS in a spec I like, to keep and drive…I'd take the T. I faced a similar decision when the cars were new, after considerable seat time in all of them. C2 with 7MT + slicktop + 4WSS + PCCB + PTS + all sporting options vs T set up the same (but no PTS, obviously) vs GTS very similar but no PCCB and the answer kept trending toward C2 vs T.

The 991.2 GTS is fantastic, but there is something about the narrow-body, 370-hp cars that appeals to me. Suspect it's having the same tire package in a narrower car and the bit-quicker (and delicious) response of the smaller turbos…but I can easily see where some will tip toward the GTS for its also appealing wide body and greater power…they used to call a very similar package the GT2.

P.S. These are good problems to have!

Porsche_nuts

Here is the answer.

Buy both.

mile2424

That was the PTS magnetic force talking....

737gdog

‘19 T, love it, certain I would love a GTS as well. Behind a GT3 Touring today headed to lunch and that is the only car I would move on to from my T.

stout

Haha…it was my inner child talking, the budding car nut who loved Irish Green 356s, early 911s, 912s, and 914s…plus very dark green Rufs and Alpinas. 🙃

As a used car, I'd be looking for a T. More of them out there the way I like 'em. Happy hunting, whichever way you go!

gskv

T all the way. I've had both.

T w/ PCCBs, 18ways, RAS beats having a fully optioned GTS imo. The T feels more like a warrior.

Martin S.

Drive one of each....that's the only way to reach your decision. I will warn you in advance, the 450 HP and monster torque will blow you away. The PDK automatic is simply awesome.....remember, the Carrera T based on a Base 991.2, was a marketing ploy....I guess they all are. You get pull straps for the doors, and a special interior...but you don't get 450 HP and 0 - 60 in 3.5 seconds. Your cars brakes will be those of the 991.2 Camera Base as I am told..the brakes on the 991.2 GTS are off the Turbo car, front 350mm in diameter/ rear 330mm. Did I mention the 450 HP and the 3,000 RPM linear torque range.

As we see in MotorTrend, Sept 2017, "The GTS has power at any rpm. Even at 2,500 rpm, it pulls hard. Unlike a lot of current turbo engines, it still builds power at the high end. So many cars now with huge torque numbers run out of breath not long after 5,000 rpm, but the GTS keeps building up until 6,500 rpm, a thousand short of its redline." What's not to like here?

With the GTS, on most models, you get forged aluminum Center Lock wheels, with a width of 9" front and 12" rear.

Martin S.

Run them side by side at the track...the 991.2 GTS will come out on top, wider wheelbase, wider wheels and 450 HP compared to 379 HP, the same engine found on the base 991.2 base Carrera.

With my 2017 GTS at Willow Springs, it was scary fast. Example, with me getting a good run out of Turn 9 of about 95 MPH, by the time I had to brake for turn 1, the car had hit 150 MPH.

I was running with my buddy, an experienced driver with lots of track time on his 2004 GT3, 380 HP (1 HP more than the 991.2 "T" with its base motor). Also note, my car may be about 200 lbs. heaver than his 2004 GT3.....with both of getting good exit speeds off of Turn 9, I would walk away from him.

Just drive an example of each to make up your mind.

IXLR8

Nope! Why would I or I would have bought one. And all this talk about a T being lighter...really? Collectable? No more than any other in that series.

Alc

Tough choice. I don’t believe either is collectible…or maybe both will be. Look out how many 3.2 Carreras were made and they are collectible. I have a T and now a 987.2 Spyder. I’ve come to realize more isn’t always better, technology, power, or options. Porsche will always make a faster 911 so that’s a pointless endeavor. It all comes down to what you enjoy. Sunroofs and leather aren’t my thing and more power doesn’t mean more fun (except on on-ramps and potentially track days). If you daily your car keep the GTS as it sounds like a do-everything grand-tourer: comfortable, capable, fast. If you don’t daily and your passion is backroad carver, I’d get the T minimal spec and LWBS and PCCBs.

Atheist

I might be biased as a GTS owner but I looked at a T. What I doesn't make sense is your above statement. There is something about 370 hp cars with a narrower car and smaller turbos....less HP, they are slower, and don't handle as well. As for the quickness of the smaller turbos. What does that even mean when the car is not a quick. Maybe they should put the smaller turbos in the Turbo S since they are quicker turbos?

ducktails

I'm not one of these guys that thinks the T is a magic unicorn, but Stout and other's reasoning is not faulty here, and he knows a thing or two about Porsches.

This is my take as a response...

1. It's been said the smaller turbos are fractionally more responsive (i.e. less lag or rubber band feeling on acceleration) - and as far as most car guys go, the more linear the response the better. Hence why the new 992 GTS hybrid has "electric turbos" to basically eliminate turbo lag. Now, some people love some old school turbo kick in the midrange, and the T is certainly not lag-free, but it's a difference that some might find appealing.

2. Another thing a lot of us like to do is wind out the motor to red-line, and in theory lower HP lets you do that in more situations on the street - though I'm pretty sure you're still at illegal speeds after 3rd gear in either. 370HP sounds weedy in today's market but it's ample for a fun time in the canyons unless you are only into stop light drags.

3. Narrow body is better for threading narrow canyon roads and should have little to no impact whatsoever on handling. A narrow body T with all the same options on the same tires should "handle" the same as a GTS, maybe fractionally better if the weight is a teeny bit less. Again that depends on how you define good handling I suppose, but if you're talking about how quick it changes direction, what kind of G it can sustain, the feel you get through the chassis etc... no difference?

Like I said in my original response, all things being equal there's not really a good reason to switch from a GTS to T - but I do get a bit fed up sometimes when folks pile on the T.

Zylinderkopfdichtung

Porsche slices things pretty thin between models. If you want a beautiful and fast Lexusfied-911, get a GTS. If you want a beautiful and fast Lotusfied-911, get a T. You can't go wrong. Spec matters more. There are plenty of Ts that were badly spec'd by dealers that didn't understand the T ethos.

I had an out-of-state deposit on a 2018 GTS and was arranging a PPI. I met a guy at Cars & Coffee and drove his T. I called the GTS dealer, declined the car, lost my $500, and bought a different T from out-of-state. The T was more expensive. I also like the fact that the T is an uncommon beast. There are fewer than 1000 Ts in the USA. My maid has a GTS. Hell, I tripped over 3 GTS just grabbing a beer from my fridge.