Beware out there kids... there are unscrupulous people in the world.

I need to drive a .1 S. Although, I'd be doing it more for the brakes than the additional 50hp.

I have spoken with her, but the truth of the matter is that I wouldn't be comfortable driving such an expensive car.

A wise man once told me that the Porsche you'll always regret selling is the one you're currently driving.

 

I tend to find what I want and then keep it for a while.. cars, house, wife, etc..... but I asked a couple of different Porsche salespeople about this after seeing fairly new cars with so many owners and such low mileage, and their answer was pretty similar.
Many customers enjoy the shopping, selecting the build, customizing it, delivery process, brand new car treatment, etc more than they like the car itself. Then they lose that high and want to do it again. It's not even about the car, the car is just the vehicle for that.

It made me understand it but I don't have that particular itch, nor the resources to scratch it even if I did!

 

That or they are worried about having some ultra expensive repair that might pop up. I remember going out with someone whose parents would trade-in their car a few months before their warranty would expire, that is how paranoid they were about major expenses. I told them "buy a quality car instead of the junk you are driving".

Status symbol seekers are poseurs in my books. Reminds me of the Lambo and Ferrari owners driving back and forth on the Surfers Paradise boulevard on the Gold Coast in bumper to bumper traffic..the "hey, look at me" type. Hell, I'd be on a twisty back road having fun.

 

Being an avid aka serious motorcyclist who has driven roughly 240 different Alps passes on my own (not those poseurs going with tour companies) for 27 years, I came up with the following theory decades ago that mirrors what you stated.

They buy a motorcycle, they bling it all up and when there is nothing else to buy, they sell it and start all over again. It gives them something to talk about at meets. None of them have been anywhere though. LOL

 

Exactly why I still have the only two Porsches that I ever bought. I'm very sorry I sold my 1986 Suzuki RG500 Gamma and Honda CB400F Supersport, but at least I still have my best BMWs, a 1986 R80 G/S Paris Dakar and 1990 R100 GS.

 

I've got around 100k of GS miles in my history... This is the Idaho BDR from a few years back.
I've pretty much quit riding due to other interests leaving me with no time, but I do miss it a lot.

 

Well since this is your thread, we can deviate a bit.

I sold my 1986 Suzuki RG500 Gamma to a guy in Florida and that enabled me to pay off my 1990 BMW R100 GS months after I bought it new in October 1991.

Then added a 2003 R1150 GSA and 2004 R1150 GSA, the latter got shipped to Europe for my tours there, rental pricing is nuts and I was there every year for 4+ weeks of riding...real mountainous twisties. The 2004 GSA replaced an old under-powered R65 I used in Europe for 9 years. Its not about the bike, but where you've been and what you've seen. And that 2004 GSA was written off in 2009 by a cell phone yapping 18 year old idiot in his car, so my 2003 GSA was shipped over in 2010. After 20 years, the 2003 GSA was just sold this past December. So from 1995 to 2023 less two years of Covid BS made for 27 years of great riding in Europe, mainly the Alps and once in Corsica.

Time to move on and ride far less technical roads on this continent with my 2016 R1200 GSA LC. The beauty of a GS is I can do 1000 miles a day and still walk normally the next day without needing a mobile home aka Gold Wing.

My 2003 R1150 GSA on the Edelweiss Spitze on the Grossglockner in Austria.


Passo del San Gottardo, Switzerland.


Only two of roughly 240 different passes driven.

 

There is another in this thread that rode a lot of miles over the years... I'll let him "out" himself if he wants.
Label me jealous of those roads and your experiences...

 

Nah. I had a 991.1 S for 4.5 years, the only thing it has on the 991.2 is engine sound. If your use for them is casual Sunday drives, they are all the same. If you are performance minded, the 991.1 won't keep you happy.

A 991.2 can be a supercar killer, a 991.1 will always be slower than a GT4, GT3, M3, M4, Corvettes, Mustangs and many many others.... @4 Point 0 car runs down 1000cc sport bikes, on stock engine internals and a stock fuel system...

 

is there a big difference between the 991.1 and 991.2 manual transmissions?

or are you referring to a 997 vs 991 manual transmission when you talk about ease of use ?

my previous experience is not with porsche but rather a civic type r (fk8) and a bmw m4 (f82) and i find the 991.1 manual transmission more satisfying but more difficult to utilize as compared to my previous cars

 

so the OP's comment was something like the 991.2 is almost too fast to have fun with. Personally I disagree, I find it a much nicer and sportier drive getting power without high rpms which for the most part is all about sound. I'm well over that (boomer), the t-shirt has holes in it. I had the cash on hand to buy a 991.2 turbo-s when I picked up the carrera but I just couldn't justify double the price, but I came pretty darn close to pulling the trigger on it. now that would have been a blast. as it is the softronic tune and dsc suspension controller help make up for it.

 

Not sure about the shifting feel, but mechanically they are very different. Really strong gear set from the Turbo, while using the same twin disc clutch as the GT cars. The 991.2 Carrera engine and transmission are seriously overbuilt for what they produce out of the factory.

The following modifications have been made to the manual transmission on the 911 Carrera model year 2017:

• Integration of the 991 Turbo PDK gear set and ring gear/pinion shaft with shorter constant ratio
• Modified shift and selection force curves
• Optimized reverse gear splines
• Integration of dual-mass flywheel with centrifugal pendulum
• Integration of double-plate clutch
• Change to gear wheel oil Mobilube PTX SAE 75W90

 

My .1 is a PDK, so apples and oranges.
My comment was from driving 996's (turbo and NA) and 997's (turbo and NA).

The previous manual transmissions all seemed to have a trick to driving them smoothly. The 991.2 just seems a little easier to me... YMMV.

 

I agree with this. The 991.1 GTS I drove was fun and sounded great when you get to that 5K or 6K and over on the tach but, I was shopping for a car to drive daily. The 991.2 is faster and much quicker in the usable range for driving on the street. If I was looking for a car to track or drive for a couple hours on weekends no doubt a NA car with a manual transmission would be a fun ticket if you have places to really stretch it out. The NA car is definitely a good match for a manual. A GT3 really would be the way to go for that purpose, and even then, if I were tracking it, the decision for a MT would be tough as it will definitely slow you down on the track. For usability on the street as a daily and for weekend drives, no contest, the 991.2 GTS or Turbo S is the far superior performer IMO. Also the sound with PSE once the revs get to 3500 or higher is pretty nice also although slightly less in volume. I also agree with you as I could have sprung for the Turbo S but for the extra money I just decided the 991.2 GTS was more than I could ever use on the street and the TTS not worth the extra expense for my financial bracket. Don't regret the decision after a year and a half of driving. If anything it has only verified my thinking. If I had a lot more money I would have a stable of Porsches instead of the two I now have. Of course as a person approaching 70, the desire to make a lot of noise and rev a car to the red line on public roads has long since passed. Driving like I sole it or like it is meant to be driven happens rarely. The experience of daily driving in normal spirited ranges is satisfying enough.

 

I mentioned being able to "sport around" without feeling like I was going to go to jail.

I can see where you might interpret that the .1 is slower than the .2S and thus less likely to get into trouble, but what I meant was that the .1 is funner to drive at 4/10ths or ?/10ths.
Said another way... The .2 has speed and that IS a rush, but I can get a rush out of the .1 without going-to-jail speeds.

Again, this is all so subjective... I am not suggesting that your opinion is less than mine, only that I may have misrepresented what I meant.