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Old 09-11-2023, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by IRunalot
I have a new set of PS4S and I’m not getting any of these issues. Wonder if it’s a bad lot of tires.
Are they "N-0"? What year were they manufactured (you can check the DOT in the flank)?
Old 09-11-2023, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JLCarrera
Are they "N-0"? What year were they manufactured (you can check the DOT in the flank)?
Give me a moment, I'll run down and take a picture of the front and rear. When i bought them only one pair was available in N.
Old 09-11-2023, 08:55 AM
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None of them are N Spec, i took a few quick picture hopefully its enough for you to see. I can grab another after my morning calls.




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Old 09-11-2023, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by IRunalot
None of they are N Spec, i took a few quick picture hopefully its enough for you to see. I can grab another after my morning calls.
I suspect this may be an issue with the "N0" denomination
Old 09-11-2023, 09:44 AM
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Over the years I've had a number of bad Michelin 245/35/20 's
They just never balance out correctly and were replaced to correct.
Old 09-11-2023, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CSK 911 C4S
Over the years I've had a number of bad Michelin 245/35/20 's
They just never balance out correctly and were replaced to correct.
Ugh.. really? what did you feel?
Old 09-11-2023, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JLCarrera
Ugh.. really? what did you feel?
I just always had a vibration over 50 mph which was very annoying.

Most of the time discount tire (where I purchased the tires) would find the one which was causing the problem or replace both and it would be solved.
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I have had zero issues with mine other than the screw I ran over in my left rear which isn't the tires fault. They are miles ahead of the P-Zeros that came off the car. Those were new, noisy, hard as glass and hydroplaned. They also had no grip but that was also on the stock suspension.

I also have PS4S on my F80 with no issues.

Both cars have full solid bushings and zero rubber left in the suspension and are quiet. I'm running pretty low pressures 30/31 cold(on the edge of the comfort low pressure warning.) that come out to 33/33 -35/35 hot. That is measured with a Longacre gauge not the dash display.

If this is an N0 issue I'm glad they were not available when I ordered mine.

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Old 09-11-2023, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by IRunalot
I have had zero issues with mine other than the screw I ran over in my left rear which isn't the tires fault. They are miles ahead of the P-Zeros that came off the car. Those were new, noisy, hard as glass and hydroplaned. They also had no grip but that was also on the stock suspension.

I also have PS4S on my F80 with no issues.

Both cars have full solid bushings and zero rubber left in the suspension and are quiet. I'm running pretty low pressures 30/31 cold(on the edge of the comfort low pressure warning.) that come out to 33/33 -35/35 hot. That is measured with a Longacre gauge not the dash display.

If this is an N0 issue I'm glad they were not available when I ordered mine.
30/31 using your gauge translates into what using the dash display? thanks
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Originally Posted by CSK 911 C4S
I just always had a vibration over 50 mph which was very annoying.

Most of the time discount tire (where I purchased the tires) would find the one which was causing the problem or replace both and it would be solved.
I get a slight vibration but it seems to be unrelated to speed (so not really a balancing issue) which is translated to the steering wheel and also to the pedals.
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Originally Posted by Larson E. Rapp
Are they still made in France? I know Pirellis are coming out of China these days, but haven't heard of any negative consequences to that.
My recent upgrade from Michelin to P-zero are made in Germany. They’re fantastic.
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Originally Posted by JLCarrera
30/31 using your gauge translates into what using the dash display? thanks
The dash is usually 2-3 psi off to the low-side, . Lets say if its 35/35 hot on the dash I get 33/33 on the external gauge. 34/34 hot is my target for PS4S.

I'll get you an exact reading this week when I get to the track Saturday.



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