Which 991
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soundbehindyou (03-06-2023)
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I bought a color I didn’t want; then immediately wrapped it in the exact color I wanted.
Eventually; I’ll wrap it in the NEXT color I want.
Plus; it keeps the original paint in perfect condition for its next owner!!
Eventually; I’ll wrap it in the NEXT color I want.
Plus; it keeps the original paint in perfect condition for its next owner!!
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Thanks all, for the arguments you all mention for picking your choice.
As mentioned it will be a weekend warrior so it has to be different to my DD car a Alfa Giulia Veloce in color Black. I will not add options aftermarket on the 991 keep it as is, not wrapping it because I like the racing yellow.
PASM and Sport Chrono of course are options that are really nice to have, engaging driving can be done put it in Sport Plus mode and work you way through the corners with the paddles. Coming from a Gallardo with e-gear I know it can be fun too, but e-gear was single clutch and was a pretty rough change gears but gave you a smile on your face.
MT is old school and very engaging and is different as my DD that is a plus, but shifting manual can be sometimes cumbersome if you hit traffic.
Will check out both cars, today I am going for the PDK to test drive and lets see if I am get excited, sure it will be but I will notice if it is not too smooth....
As mentioned it will be a weekend warrior so it has to be different to my DD car a Alfa Giulia Veloce in color Black. I will not add options aftermarket on the 991 keep it as is, not wrapping it because I like the racing yellow.
PASM and Sport Chrono of course are options that are really nice to have, engaging driving can be done put it in Sport Plus mode and work you way through the corners with the paddles. Coming from a Gallardo with e-gear I know it can be fun too, but e-gear was single clutch and was a pretty rough change gears but gave you a smile on your face.
MT is old school and very engaging and is different as my DD that is a plus, but shifting manual can be sometimes cumbersome if you hit traffic.
Will check out both cars, today I am going for the PDK to test drive and lets see if I am get excited, sure it will be but I will notice if it is not too smooth....
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I think having the 7th gear for highway cruising is great. Loafs along at more than highway speeds and 30+ mpg. Just one shift away from game on...
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I consider Sport Chrono to be a critical option, especially on the turbocharged 991.2 and 992 cars. I wouldn’t touch one of those cars without it — omit spec’ing it on a new 911 at your peril. If a new 911 has only one feature, that feature is Sport Chrono.
With that being said, for a 991.1 if the choice is between PDK and manual, the manual transmission always wins. Beyond the various merits of the 911 3 pedal experience, when you go with a manual, you take the risk of a PDK failure off of the table. A manual transmission is timeless, whereas an automated/automatic transmission, even a dual clutch, can feel dated.
With that being said, for a 991.1 if the choice is between PDK and manual, the manual transmission always wins. Beyond the various merits of the 911 3 pedal experience, when you go with a manual, you take the risk of a PDK failure off of the table. A manual transmission is timeless, whereas an automated/automatic transmission, even a dual clutch, can feel dated.
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I consider Sport Chrono to be a critical option, especially on the turbocharged 991.2 and 992 cars. I wouldn’t touch one of those cars without it — omit spec’ing it on a new 911 at your peril. If a new 911 has only one feature, that feature is Sport Chrono.
With that being said, for a 991.1 if the choice is between PDK and manual, the manual transmission always wins. Beyond the various merits of the 911 3 pedal experience, when you go with a manual, you take the risk of a PDK failure off of the table. A manual transmission is timeless, whereas an automated/automatic transmission, even a dual clutch, can feel dated.
With that being said, for a 991.1 if the choice is between PDK and manual, the manual transmission always wins. Beyond the various merits of the 911 3 pedal experience, when you go with a manual, you take the risk of a PDK failure off of the table. A manual transmission is timeless, whereas an automated/automatic transmission, even a dual clutch, can feel dated.
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Drove the black PDK today, gearbox is so smooth that you don't notice any gear change. Put it in Sport Plus it is very engaging and wants to be raced, with the paddles you can play and it is nice. However does it replace a manual, I am not over that point yet but it is lovely and fun and gets a smile on your face, not from ear to ear...
As the car is black and done 50k miles it has stone chips on the area of sills at the wheel arches, also the rear bumper at the wheel arches where pretty "damaged". If you want todo it right it should be re-sprayed, don't know if the seller wants to go that far.
Mostly in the yellow area.
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Good point!
Drove the black PDK today, gearbox is so smooth that you don't notice any gear change. Put it in Sport Plus it is very engaging and wants to be raced, with the paddles you can play and it is nice. However does it replace a manual, I am not over that point yet but it is lovely and fun and gets a smile on your face, not from ear to ear...
As the car is black and done 50k miles it has stone chips on the area of sills at the wheel arches, also the rear bumper at the wheel arches where pretty "damaged". If you want todo it right it should be re-sprayed, don't know if the seller wants to go that far.
Drove the black PDK today, gearbox is so smooth that you don't notice any gear change. Put it in Sport Plus it is very engaging and wants to be raced, with the paddles you can play and it is nice. However does it replace a manual, I am not over that point yet but it is lovely and fun and gets a smile on your face, not from ear to ear...
As the car is black and done 50k miles it has stone chips on the area of sills at the wheel arches, also the rear bumper at the wheel arches where pretty "damaged". If you want todo it right it should be re-sprayed, don't know if the seller wants to go that far.
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With that being said, for a 991.1 if the choice is between PDK and manual, the manual transmission always wins. Beyond the various merits of the 911 3 pedal experience, when you go with a manual, you take the risk of a PDK failure off of the table. A manual transmission is timeless, whereas an automated/automatic transmission, even a dual clutch, can feel dated.
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So in the cold mornings I drive the car like an old man until its up to operating temp, and being its only a 20min commute it doesn't leave much time to get all the juices flowing at higher rpm once I can. I would compare the yellow manual to my car during it's first part of the commute. I keep the car in normal mode, pasm is normal, pse off, but still shift with the stick. It's very underwhelming, not alot of noises when accelerating, and it just feels like a tame and refined old man car. Adding a manual would make it more engaging for sure, but how much more different is it than just driving a manual any-other car as a commuter. I was just driving a nice car to work. Now, once that PSE button, Sport button, and PASM button are pressed, it is a completely different animal... the real Porsche experience, the gurgles, the sound of all the rpm's, the G's and rails ride of the PASM, You feel like a little kid that is on a joyride, and it really does not matter that the left foot gets a break because you're still in full control of the chaos with the paddles or stick. The perfect 911 for us is PASM, PSE, Sport Chrono, Manual car... but I would pick a PDK car with all those " Porsche experience-enhancing" options every day of the week over a boring manual car. You will have options envy.
Yes, I have manual envy when I'm not actively driving it. However not one person EVER looked at the car and said "oh, its not a manual", which I thought they all would. Overseas everything is a manual, and the PDK is actually a big deal. The older muscle car guys feel the same way in their groups about carbureted cars, but most people could care less now. Honestly, all you can do is drive both and drive both as you would on a day where you just wanted to get out of the house and clear your head. The answer will come to you. Good luck!
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I've had manual fun/3rd cars my whole life. Here is my current perspective with your two. I actually drove the 911 into work today so it's pretty fresh. My current p-car is a PDK. Yes, I miss the manual but only when I'm not driving the car (if that makes ANY sense).
Yes, I have manual envy when I'm not actively driving it!
Yes, I have manual envy when I'm not actively driving it!
Yes PDK is nice but it is very clean in Sport Plus it is very engaging but in my test drive I found out that it made choices on the public road that I would not make with a manual, sometimes it revs unnecessary by gearing down in first gear.
Sport Plus will be great on the track!
Manual is timeless as someone posted in my thread and it will not easy break.
But sure PDK is good and I can imagne that others choose this gearbox.
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