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Old 02-27-2023 | 06:55 PM
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991.1 C2S. 3 months into ownership, first visit to a workshop.
PCM started resetting itself, rear spoiler didn't retract fully, and rear window lifter sometimes didn't go up when closing the cabrio roof. All well known issues likely to affect every 991.1 at some point.

The part prices and amount of labor are insanity. Glad I didnt have to pay out of pocket.


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02-27-2023, 09:21 PM
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Here is the solution for the wing/spoiler issue:


Old 02-27-2023 | 07:25 PM
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Wow!

Just really started looking into getting another 911 after selling my '99 C2 because I was worried about potential engine rebuild costs LOL

Not a great first post to run across on my first ever visit into the 991 forum
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Old 02-27-2023 | 07:35 PM
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Wow!

Just really started looking into getting another 911 after selling my '99 C2 because I was worried about potential engine rebuild costs LOL

Not a great first post to run across on my first ever visit into the 991 forum
Well a large part of that I am sure are a new wing/spoiler and his Convertible issue.

The PCM is not a common occurrence from my time on this forum, if you don't get a convertible, obviously that is a non issue. And there is a very inexpensive fix for the spoiler issue. There are plastics that break over time, but the part can be re enforced very easily, especially if it hasn't failed it. Even if it has failed the repair is very DIY'able for very little money in parts.

I wouldn't let that steer you away. I have 99k miles on my car with very few issues (Owned since 20k miles) Overall the 991 generation is very reliable.

There are some folks wiith PDK failures, but those are also relatively rare. It seems A LOT more common if you come on the forums as people tend to come here when they have issues, NOT to say how well their transmission is working.

The thread is blowing things out of proportion IMO.




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Old 02-27-2023 | 07:42 PM
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Well a large part of that I am sure are a new wing/spoiler and his Convertible issue.

The PCM is not a common occurrence from my time on this forum, if you don't get a convertible, obviously that is a non issue. And there is a very inexpensive fix for the spoiler issue. There are plastics that break over time, but the part can be re enforced very easily, especially if it hasn't failed it. Even if it has failed the repair is very DIY'able for very little money in parts.

I wouldn't let that steer you away. I have 99k miles on my car with very few issues (Owned since 20k miles) Overall the 991 generation is very reliable.

There are some folks wiith PDK failures, but those are also relatively rare. It seems A LOT more common if you come on the forums as people tend to come here when they have issues, NOT to say how well their transmission is working.

The thread is blowing things out of proportion IMO.
Id be looking at a hardtop PDK 991.1 car. Still comparing to a 997.2 6 speed coupe. My issue with the 997 is the center console interferes with my shin. No issues like that with the 991.

Will keep digging for info. Live near a very well respected Porsche Specialist but wouldnt want any crazy surprises
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Originally Posted by mtuomi
991.1 C2S. 3 months into ownership, first visit to a workshop.
PCM started resetting itself, rear spoiler didn't retract fully, and rear window lifter sometimes didn't go up when closing the cabrio roof. All well known issues likely to affect every 991.1 at some point.

The part prices and amount of labor are insanity. Glad I didnt have to pay out of pocket.

Just wait until your PDK starts acting up, assuming you don't have a MT.
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Old 02-27-2023 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mtuomi
The part prices and amount of labor are insanity.
I see a parts amount of $8617.92, but not a list of parts replaced.

And whenever insurance is involved, chances are good (like factory warranty) that unnecessary parts were replaced. Ever wonder why a windshield replacement costs less when paying out of pocket.
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Old 02-27-2023 | 08:58 PM
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Wow, those extended warranty companies must be bankrupt ! I wonder why they are constantly aggressively marketing their insurance ? I once met a guy who collected on an extended warranty on a toaster, he thinks everyone should buy one. Life insurance for some people makes sense in case they are the one in a million to die young. One buys it knowing the insurance company is making a lot of money but you don't care because it is the only way you can protect your family. My rule is don't buy insurance unless the worst outcome would be devastating to you. It's very likely to be money wasted.
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Old 02-27-2023 | 09:05 PM
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Ouch!!! I still say self insure whenever you can. There's a reason it should be beneficial in the long run...
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Old 02-27-2023 | 09:21 PM
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Here is the solution for the wing/spoiler issue:


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Old 02-27-2023 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Joec500
Well a large part of that I am sure are a new wing/spoiler and his Convertible issue.

The PCM is not a common occurrence from my time on this forum, if you don't get a convertible, obviously that is a non issue. And there is a very inexpensive fix for the spoiler issue. There are plastics that break over time, but the part can be re enforced very easily, especially if it hasn't failed it. Even if it has failed the repair is very DIY'able for very little money in parts.

I wouldn't let that steer you away. I have 99k miles on my car with very few issues (Owned since 20k miles) Overall the 991 generation is very reliable.

There are some folks wiith PDK failures, but those are also relatively rare. It seems A LOT more common if you come on the forums as people tend to come here when they have issues, NOT to say how well their transmission is working.

The thread is blowing things out of proportion IMO.
You're right, if I didn't have a warranty I would've DIYd this for a few hundred. The warranty is a cheap hedge though against these surprises. Well worth the 4k it cost.

The PCM failure is somewhat common. My Macan has similar issue. Same HDD failure.
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Originally Posted by IXLR8
I see a parts amount of $8617.92, but not a list of parts replaced.

And whenever insurance is involved, chances are good (like factory warranty) that unnecessary parts were replaced. Ever wonder why a windshield replacement costs less when paying out of pocket.
Parts were PCM, spoiler mechanism, and 2 rear window regulators. Don't ask why Porsche said they need to be changed as a pair.
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Old 02-27-2023 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Holli82
Here is the solution for the wing/spoiler issue:

Wish that was an option for the cabrio. I love that look.
Old 02-27-2023 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DGI
Wow!

Just really started looking into getting another 911 after selling my '99 C2 because I was worried about potential engine rebuild costs LOL

Not a great first post to run across on my first ever visit into the 991 forum
I wouldn't worry about it, but as a hedge an external warranty is well worth it. I have the 911 and a Macan S and I am 15k ahead on the warranties.
​​the 991 is very reliable in general, but failures can be stupid expensive if you dont want to do any DIY work. The spoiler for example could have been fixed in a few hours and very little cost (Porsche charged 6.5 hours to replace it and part was 4000 dollars, could have fixed it in a lot less time and cost).
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Originally Posted by mtuomi
...failures can be stupid expensive if you dont want to do any DIY work. The spoiler for example could have been fixed in a few hours and very little cost (Porsche charged 6.5 hours to replace it and part was 4000 dollars, could have fixed it in a lot less time and cost).
Cost is less of an issue. I just hate someone messing with my vehicles, sort of like letting the fox loose in the hen-house. Plus I know it is done right. I can't believe the cost of labor and the part. I would have fixed it myself, but then I have never bought an extended warranty.

I came across this the other day. I had to chuckle.






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