Help me make up my mind... If they were all the same price (they are) which would you choose?

1. 2013 Carrera CPO with 54k miles - https://www.tomwoodporsche.com/certi...f80c1922e1.htm
2. 2012 Carrera S with 65k miles - https://www.modernclassicmotorcars.c...-991-carrera-s
3. 2013 Carrera with 53k miles - https://eastdallasdiesel.com/2013-po...-75228/7081365
4. 2012 Carrera with 38k miles - https://www.adcoximports.com/detail?id=18331054

Does CPO add much to the equation other than the warranty? Lastly, what mileage on a 9-10 year old car would cause you to look elsewhere? I put about 3,600 miles on a car in a year and plan on keeping the 911 I purchase until they plant me in the ground. (I'm 63 for reference.)

Martin

 

#4 all day long with a good PPI.

 

Ok, so my two cents..

#1 has a long history of service, which to me is a red flag. Serviced every 2K miles for the past 14k miles. Too many trips to get checked.. Plus too many owners already for my taste. It’s a nice car. CPO is good news, but would certainly have a mechanic do a full inspection on the side if its a contender for you. I personally would hard pass.

#2 need the Carfax, but seems like a great option, only if you can get an extended warranty on it. Call around to find quotes. Less owners than #1 and major services seemed to be performed, by what the dealer says. I’d certainly take them up on the pre-inspection, if you know a good mechanic. PPF is great.. Mileage is the highest, but still very low considering its a 2012. This would be a high contender for me if the Carfax and inspection checks out.

#3 - lowest owner count and clean Carfax, but you’d have to check the recall status and confirm major services were performed. This would be the highest contender for me if the recall and inspection checks out. Also, extended warranty is essential. Mileage on the photos vs advertisement are different..3.5k..so someone at the dealer has been having some fun. =). I’d ask about that and check it if you go there. Negotiation factor.

#4 - too bright. Not a fan of the color. Also, I’m very skeptical of too low mileage cars. So hard pass here too.

CPO is always beneficial, but there may be extended warranties available. Worth checking if one is available first. This is always good for lower mileage used cars. Gives me a sense of peace that I’m covered for something major. Porsche’s are not cheap to repair.

As far as mileage goes, for this age range, I’d turn start looking elsewhere at about 75K, but generally, not certain if you can find extended warranties at this mileage. I’m mechanically savvy, and some friends too, so could likely do most repairs on my own to save $$ if this was the car for me. Happy hunting and good luck!

 

I'd go with #2. I have the base C2 Cab and sometimes wish I had spent a little extra for the S. CPO is nice to have but the 991 is well engineered and I have not had any issues with my 2014 model. Also I personally don't like the clear tail lights on #1. Good luck!

 

Bought my 2015 C2S in late 2021 ... probably paid too much, but was one of only two color combos wife and I BOTH liked - and, it randomly and unusually turned up locally.

My requirements were:
- general condition (rear bumper cover had been repainted years earlier - and just basic maintenance - most miles from highway between two locations 400 miles apart)
- C2S
- color combo which you live with every day ... EVERY DAY (white/tan or red/tan)

Would like to have:
- latest possible year in the 991.1 series (Naturally Aspirated)
- paddles
- PDK

Looking back ... no regrets since it was the right color combo 😀 (ventilated seats would have been nice)

Advice? Wait, if needed for the YOUR perfect car! Prices have stabilized, so there is no hurry!

 

I'm currently focusing on the C2S... Who do you prefer perform a PPI? A Porsche dealer? An independent Porsche specialist? What if a dealer you are considering buying from recommends someone?

Thanks,
Martin

 

Nothing from the Dealer you are buying from, or recommends... you want someone un-bias. Looks up some PPI service companies, reviews, in the area and what they cover under the PPI- preferably Porsche certified.

 

My wife liked the black C2S and I have dreamt of a black Porsche since I used to see a black 930 on the Sepulveda pass when commuting between the valley and UCLA in the late 70's. PPI is scheduled for Monday. Looking forward to owning my first Porsche.

Martin

 

CPO if they I actually did the work and didn’t just “pencil-whip” the inspection sheet …

> paddles over buttons (although you can change the steering wheel).

> Check the convertible top for wear. Most get creases … especially if the top is left down a lot or put down when wet. A few seem to get no marks, and a few also tend to get significant wear (broken stitching and even holes in the roof). There’s a few strings here on RL. Evidently it all depends on how the roof is installed/aligned, and evidently it’s more of an art than a science.

> Full leather interior, not standard. If it has the standard make sure the doir door cards (panels) are not swelling. Open the door and look at the profile and you’ll see that the interior door panel is lifting where it curves over the top and meets the window. More prevalent on cars in warm environments, especially those left outside or daily driven. Also strings on RL regarding it … Full leather interior with leather door panels have much lower incidence of this happening.

> Full maintenance history from new is obviously preferred.

obviously a PPI will find most of these issues, but it’s also something for you to check, if you’re seeing each car in person. Also run the VINs on vin analytics (website) to see the original cost of the car and options list (it’s free). Because of expensive options, the original sticker price can vary greatly.

 

if you have ever had a black car U wont do it again,,,its a full time job to keep looking good

 

Thanks for the advice. I would have preferred the sport steering wheel over the standard wheel but at least the car I'm buying has the multifunction steering wheel.

I've been using VIN analytics extensively. The four cars were originally priced $116,530, $124,540, $116,380 and $115,570 respectively.

I have owned several black cars and love them but they are a pain in the *** to keep clean; they are also hotter than hell in sunny climes. I owned several in Southern California and will now have the privilege of owning one in Southwest Florida. One reason ventilated seats were on my must have list.

PPI is happening tomorrow...

Martin

 

Be patient and be ready to purchase, but only buy the car you want.
Buy the color you like best with the options you want. It took me nearly a year to find "the car", but I ended up with a CPO Meteor grey C2S CAB with a MSRP of $ 138,300

 

This is the PPI on the Carrera S:




The issues with the top and window bother me most. Driving notes seem good. The dealer is putting new Yokohama Advan Apex V601 tires on the car. The missing interior pieces are bothersome but probably not a deal killer. It will need a new battery; I am surprised it lasted 10 years. The single left rear speed sensor fault does not seem to be an issue, or is it?

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Martin

 

I am by no means an expert, but ... It would appear that the S was just somebody's average everyday car, and they weren't very **** about it.
convertible Roofs are pretty expensive to fix / replace ... one benefit of buying the CPO is it should have a properly operating and possibly new roof. One reason that used cab sell for less than new cabs (even though the original sticker price is more) is because the complexity of the roof, the wear and tear, and of course theoretically the loss of stiffness. But they can be a huge cost on older cars, because it's not like the old days where you undo a couple of latches and easily open the roof back by hand.

If you're super interested in it I would ask for better tires.

Also with regards the CPO usually when you buy the car they'll offer to extend the warranty further in addition to the two years for an expensive amount of money but all warranties are negotiable just like car prices.


https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tests/t...y.jsp?ttid=248

 

The tires seem well regarded here: https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1295...apex-v601.html

Martin