Sebro vs. Zimmermann Rotors (Track/Street) setup
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#17
Does anyone know if this can be done on .2 as well? I'm amazed at the cost difference of a full set of 997 turbo rotors vs oem 991.2
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Tier1Terrier (07-16-2024)
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Yep, as long as its >= an S model. The reason the 991.2 OE rotors cost so much (aside from them being OE) is the fronts at least are two piece, so they are lighter than the 997 Turbo rotors.
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jpu1 (03-17-2023)
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And yes would be going on an S...
would you say benefits of slotted vs drilled outweigh negatives of going back to a one piece rotor up front?
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Ultimately a two-piece slotted like Essex or Girodisc would be the optimal choice, but for my budget and use case, I am satisfied with the Sebro Slotted. Get them from FCP Euro and get the lifetime warranty to go with.
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jpu1 (03-17-2023)
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Appreciate your quick replies. very helpful. Time to cook the rest of the brakes on the dragon and replace in a few weeks.
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I just did this upgrade, and it's THE best thing I did on the car so far. 997.2 turbo 350mm sebro slotted rotors front and rear (FCP euro). You can use the same caliper bolts for the 997.2 turbo as well, front and rear. There is a website that sells a metal spacer for the rear calipers bolts, I posted it in another thread. Since you're doing all that, might as well get some SS lines from FCP euro too, they really improved the brake pedal feel on my C2S. DS2500 pads are fine but as other have mentioned, definitely more street than track. The DS 1.11 and 3.12 are track pads and they WILL squeal. The ENDLESS MX-72 is a good mixed use pad, I still have to bed mine in but so far, so good.
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jpu1 (03-17-2023)
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I just did this upgrade, and it's THE best thing I did on the car so far. 997.2 turbo 350mm sebro slotted rotors front and rear (FCP euro). You can use the same caliper bolts for the 997.2 turbo as well, front and rear. There is a website that sells a metal spacer for the rear calipers bolts, I posted it in another thread. Since you're doing all that, might as well get some SS lines from FCP euro too, they really improved the brake pedal feel on my C2S. DS2500 pads are fine but as other have mentioned, definitely more street than track. The DS 1.11 and 3.12 are track pads and they WILL squeal. The ENDLESS MX-72 is a good mixed use pad, I still have to bed mine in but so far, so good.
Is it diamond diesel performance by chance? There's a guy on the 991 enthusiast FB page I've been speaking with who says he has a spacer kit available for the rears with rear bolts.
Last edited by jpu1; 03-17-2023 at 02:08 PM.
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Surprised this thread came up…..
If you track your car avoid compromised setups…
After 2 1/2 track days and very spirited mountain runs I had to replace my pads, and a damaged left rear rotor, thanks to a shot pad.
im now on girodisc two piece rotors and pagid yellow pads
yes they make noise… but I’ll take it for the longevity and increased braking.
If you track your car avoid compromised setups…
After 2 1/2 track days and very spirited mountain runs I had to replace my pads, and a damaged left rear rotor, thanks to a shot pad.
im now on girodisc two piece rotors and pagid yellow pads
yes they make noise… but I’ll take it for the longevity and increased braking.
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Surprised this thread came up…..
If you track your car avoid compromised setups…
After 2 1/2 track days and very spirited mountain runs I had to replace my pads, and a damaged left rear rotor, thanks to a shot pad.
im now on girodisc two piece rotors and pagid yellow pads
yes they make noise… but I’ll take it for the longevity and increased braking.
If you track your car avoid compromised setups…
After 2 1/2 track days and very spirited mountain runs I had to replace my pads, and a damaged left rear rotor, thanks to a shot pad.
im now on girodisc two piece rotors and pagid yellow pads
yes they make noise… but I’ll take it for the longevity and increased braking.
that was the ferodos you cooked? I don’t have any issues with spending the money on girodiscs, more so just really trying to determine if it’s justified for mostly street and a couple thousand miles a year in the mountains...and it sounds like a different pad may have given you a different outcome? Was it a bad pad? Thanks for the reply.
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Tier1Terrier (07-16-2024)
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it seems like I’m where you were at when you made this thread, was just trying to do some research on this setup when I saw someone mention it in a Facebook group, and your post had some solid info.
that was the ferodos you cooked? I don’t have any issues with spending the money on girodiscs, more so just really trying to determine if it’s justified for mostly street and a couple thousand miles a year in the mountains...and it sounds like a different pad may have given you a different outcome? Was it a bad pad? Thanks for the reply.
that was the ferodos you cooked? I don’t have any issues with spending the money on girodiscs, more so just really trying to determine if it’s justified for mostly street and a couple thousand miles a year in the mountains...and it sounds like a different pad may have given you a different outcome? Was it a bad pad? Thanks for the reply.
I still assume these pads should be fine for mountain drives according to vendors here, they were a great street pad with lots of dust. (Not track pads).
I do track days at Road Atlanta in blue group with chin track days (pull off a few 1.38ish min laps a session when clear of traffic). It was the 20 minute sessions of being flat out that destroyed them, plain and simple.. that and I’m sure my mountain runs did not help.
I went with girodisc for increase cooling as well.
Bottom line, there is no compromise pad/rotor once you get fast enough on the track..
This is the session when it hit the rear backing plate at the end, lost the pad.
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@snake eyes It sounds like you just got unlucky with a bad batch of pads. I remember reading (I think about Pagid yellows) that people were having issues with chunks of it breaking away. There is no doubt that Girodisc rotors are superior, but the Sebro 350/350 setup provides a nice factory fit upgrade. For those frequently tracking, a track pad and girodisc rotors will always be superior to "mixed use" pads and single piece rotors.
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Interesting! how does that change brake bias? IUs their any more write-ups on rennlist on this mod?
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