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Lol, not sure I agree. Especially if the OP is looking at the GTS. It’s faster than a 991.2 T already….
Different strokes for different folks though. If you prefer a turbo charged car I can totally understand.
Ya but a T with downpipes and a tune and it's game over, add more mods and it just gets worse. Short of a supercharger the 991.1 will always lose. I guess I approach these cars from a tuner mindset, which is wrong to make that assumption for others. I can't leave anything alone. My brother in law's Golf R with Cobb and DP is already too close to comfort to my .1 S with intake, headers, exhaust, and tune.
Stock for stock against a T, I guess .1 GTS might be the call.
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Ya but a T with downpipes and a tune and it's game over, add more mods and it just gets worse. Short of a supercharger the 991.1 will always lose. I guess I approach these cars from a tuner mindset, which is wrong to make that assumption for others. I can't leave anything alone. My brother in law's Golf R with Cobb and DP is already too close to comfort to my .1 S with intake, headers, exhaust, and tune.
Stock for stock against a T, I guess .1 GTS might be the call.
Nice, I see where you are coming from
now.
Im a leave it alone guy who loves the sound of the NA engine. GTS for me, all day.
Originally Posted by AdamSanta85View Post
Infotainment blah blah whatever... If you want a fast car 991.2 is the only choice. 991.1 NA cars are slow in a straight line by modern standards.
Do you want a car that you can modify to make faster? If so, definitely go for the turbo car. The 991.1's are fun, but "slow" by modern standards.
Perhaps "slow" in a straight line for some but take it to a road course and they are very very close..... If you want straight line speed you should go turbo s, 720s, or tesla plaid. If you want a drivers car go manual gt3 or 991.1 carrera. Regardless, any variant of a 991.2 is also a great car. It really comes down to preference.
Perhaps "slow" in a straight line for some but take it to a road course and they are very very close..... If you want straight line speed you should go turbo s, 720s, or tesla plaid. If you want a drivers car go manual gt3 or 991.1 carrera. Regardless, any variant of a 991.2 is also a great car. It really comes down to preference.
Get the best of all worlds - 991.2 GTS and mod it.
I have the straight line speed of a 720S.
The rawness of a GT3-RS and superior handling.
And at the push of a button, I have a comfy, compliant car to cruise to dinner. (Thanks to Tractive and DSC)
I almost bought a point 1 GTS. Was loving the sound until my son handed me my *** in an M4.
That doesn’t happen in a point 2. 🤣
His new M4-CS is as highly modded as mine, and the GTS-RS is still king. 😍
I had a Carrera T that I put 11K miles on and now have a 50th Anniversary (which is a 991.1 GTS in all but appearance) that I have put 11K miles on. Both manuals.
Previous posts have already hit on two of the most talked about differences: NA vs. turbo and the upgraded PCM. I have found three other significant differences:
1. I found the Carrera T's suspension to be more composed and compliant over rough roads. I expect this generally comes from enhancements to the suspension made across all the 991.2 cars (as you would expect with any .2 vs. .1 generation) and not necessarily something specific to the Carrera T. In any case, I echo the above recommendation that no matter what 911 you end up with, invest in a DSC controller and enjoy an even better ride quality.
2. I believe the steering is more direct in the Carrera T. Again, I expect this is true of any 991.2 vs. 991.1. The steering feel in the 991.1 is excellent but I would describe it as a weighted feeling vs. the Carrera T feeling more like my inputs were directly translating into a movement in the front wheels.
3. The Carrera T has the shorter gear selector and the shift action is much more precise/notchy. I have heard some people blast the shift action in the 991.1 cars but personally I don't think it is bad at all. If I had to try and describe the 991.1 shift action I would say one "places" the gear selector into the right gear rather than slam it/rush it as if it the car is running in the 24 Hours of Daytona. It is more like a dance that requires a certain rhythm. I suppose the Carrera T shift action is closer on the spectrum to a GT car (I have never driven one so can't say with any authority).
Differences aside, there is no "wrong" choice here. Both are incredible cars and the differences between them matter in different magnitudes among different people. It may be especially difficult to try and find an example of both cars and test drive them, but I strongly encourage you to make the effort to get a taste of both before you decide.
I had a Carrera T that I put 11K miles on and now have a 50th Anniversary (which is a 991.1 GTS in all but appearance) that I have put 11K miles on. Both manuals.
Previous posts have already hit on two of the most talked about differences: NA vs. turbo and the upgraded PCM. I have found three other significant differences:
1. I found the Carrera T's suspension to be more composed and compliant over rough roads. I expect this generally comes from enhancements to the suspension made across all the 991.2 cars (as you would expect with any .2 vs. .1 generation) and not necessarily something specific to the Carrera T. In any case, I echo the above recommendation that no matter what 911 you end up with, invest in a DSC controller and enjoy an even better ride quality.
2. I believe the steering is more direct in the Carrera T. Again, I expect this is true of any 991.2 vs. 991.1. The steering feel in the 991.1 is excellent but I would describe it as a weighted feeling vs. the Carrera T feeling more like my inputs were directly translating into a movement in the front wheels.
3. The Carrera T has the shorter gear selector and the shift action is much more precise/notchy. I have heard some people blast the shift action in the 991.1 cars but personally I don't think it is bad at all. If I had to try and describe the 991.1 shift action I would say one "places" the gear selector into the right gear rather than slam it/rush it as if it the car is running in the 24 Hours of Daytona. It is more like a dance that requires a certain rhythm. I suppose the Carrera T shift action is closer on the spectrum to a GT car (I have never driven one so can't say with any authority).
Differences aside, there is no "wrong" choice here. Both are incredible cars and the differences between them matter in different magnitudes among different people. It may be especially difficult to try and find an example of both cars and test drive them, but I strongly encourage you to make the effort to get a taste of both before you decide.
You nailed it on the three items above. What made you switch from the T to the 50th and after owning both, would you go back to the T, or any other .2 or 992 model that is turbo charged?
Thanks everyone for the input. Lots of great and helpful points. I probably should have clarified a few details in my original post:
-Kids are both under 5ft and will be for a 2-3years.
-Daily Driver means use it for commuting 2-3x per week with "occasional" kid pickup. I have a regular DD
-I have a 981GT4 and intend to keep it along with the 911 that I choose. I dont think i can stretch for a 991.2 GTS if I am keeping the GT4
Main priority is the driving feel of the car (acceleration, handling, steering, balance, etc). Since the engine in the Gt4 is practically the same as the 991.1 GTS, Im leaning towards getting the T to experience a bit of the low end torque from the turbo. I agree that the 3.8L NA really needs to rev past 5K to really appreciate it. I think a tune and some simple mods would really liven the T up but hopefully i can revert and not suffer too much on the resale. But even if I can get back 80-90% of what I paid for it, i'd be happy.
*** Bias Alert *** I own a '18 911T , have not owned or driven a 991.1 GTS or other 991.1 variant..
The 911T is a Unicorn , so special in the 911 range
Short Throw 7 speed gearbox, light weight glass , less sound deadening , lowered PASM , sport exhaust , STD PTV, Sport design steering wheel , Nylon door pull straps , Agate Gray Mirrors and 20" Carrera S Wheels and, , Carrera T Interior ( if optioned) , and the mighty 3.0 Flat 6 w. 370 HP , 331 Pd Ft Torque !!
And every day drivable . The view from Mt Soledad
This combination is beyond exhilarating . The Weissach engineers nailed it with this limited run 911 . Only 939 imported to USA in 2018-19, it is a classic .
And you couple this with the '18 PSM upgrade, Apple Car Play , - its the last and best of 991 generation for sure .
Every time I climb in , fire her up and start the drive , endorphins kick in,, and all the stuff in the world slips away .
Get the best of all worlds - 991.2 GTS and mod it.
I have the straight line speed of a 720S.
The rawness of a GT3-RS and superior handling.
And at the push of a button, I have a comfy, compliant car to cruise to dinner. (Thanks to Tractive and DSC)
I almost bought a point 1 GTS. Was loving the sound until my son handed me my *** in an M4.
That doesn’t happen in a point 2. 🤣
His new M4-CS is as highly modded as mine, and the GTS-RS is still king. 😍
A 991.2 gts is a phenomenal car (bought a new one and added a tune, suspension, ect). The problem I had was turbo lag on track (manual trans) and missed the NA power delivery and sound too much..
You nailed it on the three items above. What made you switch from the T to the 50th and after owning both, would you go back to the T, or any other .2 or 992 model that is turbo charged?
Totally personal reasons: (1) I took a chance with the T and specced white after having a run of silver cars but ended up really not liking white to the point it bugged the hell out of me that I didn't care for my own 911 as much as 911s generally; (2) the shoulder bolsters on the 18-way seats pushed my shoulders forward to the point I never felt my back was firmly planted in the seat and was constantly adjusting it to no avail; (3) I have always adored the 50th anniversary cars and thought having one of these would solve (1) and (2) and maybe keep me from thinking I have to have a GT3 Touring because it is just enough of a NA experience to scratch that itch.
I would not go back to a T but it isn't because there is anything wrong with it in my eyes but really more just because I have already experienced it and would rather experience some other flavor of the 911. The only other 991.2 I would probably consider is a GT3 Touring. I would absolutely consider a 992 variant but don't have a desire to move up to one at this time. Case in point: after telling me that I had no shot at a 992 GT3 Touring allocation, my dealer surprised me earlier this month with a call saying a customer backed out of an order and asked if I wanted the build slot for April/May delivery in exchange for ADM and trading in my 50th. I declined not because of the ADM (it was low compared to what I see others paying) but because I am not ready to give up the 50th yet. I am still on the fence whether this was the right decision but at the same time I genuinely want to drive this car a hell of a lot more before parting ways with it.
Thanks everyone for the input. Lots of great and helpful points. I probably should have clarified a few details in my original post:
-Kids are both under 5ft and will be for a 2-3years.
-Daily Driver means use it for commuting 2-3x per week with "occasional" kid pickup. I have a regular DD
-I have a 981GT4 and intend to keep it along with the 911 that I choose. I dont think i can stretch for a 991.2 GTS if I am keeping the GT4
Main priority is the driving feel of the car (acceleration, handling, steering, balance, etc). Since the engine in the Gt4 is practically the same as the 991.1 GTS, Im leaning towards getting the T to experience a bit of the low end torque from the turbo. I agree that the 3.8L NA really needs to rev past 5K to really appreciate it. I think a tune and some simple mods would really liven the T up but hopefully i can revert and not suffer too much on the resale. But even if I can get back 80-90% of what I paid for it, i'd be happy.
Completely agree with NJ991. It seems the T would be the perfect car to pair with your GT4. Hard to think of a better pair frankly!
In the market for either a 991.1 GTS or 991.2 911T manual. Looking for everyday cruiser with 4seats to fit the family on weekend drives and spirited solo driving. Looking for feedback from those that have experienced both in some capacity. Priority is driving dynamics and fun. May look to trade in 3-5years from now and I figure both cars will have decent resale values if I dont rack up too many miles.
Originally Posted by iheart9k
Thanks everyone for the input. Lots of great and helpful points. I probably should have clarified a few details in my original post:
-Kids are both under 5ft and will be for a 2-3years.
-Daily Driver means use it for commuting 2-3x per week with "occasional" kid pickup. I have a regular DD
-I have a 981GT4 and intend to keep it along with the 911 that I choose. I dont think i can stretch for a 991.2 GTS if I am keeping the GT4
Main priority is the driving feel of the car (acceleration, handling, steering, balance, etc). Since the engine in the Gt4 is practically the same as the 991.1 GTS, Im leaning towards getting the T to experience a bit of the low end torque from the turbo. I agree that the 3.8L NA really needs to rev past 5K to really appreciate it. I think a tune and some simple mods would really liven the T up but hopefully i can revert and not suffer too much on the resale. But even if I can get back 80-90% of what I paid for it, i'd be happy.
With 2 garage spaces and being unwilling to park a car outside, my car is my only car, and a fun car also has to be practical as a daily driver (school drop off/pick up, groceries, etc) and as a family car for the 3 of us.
My toddler loves coming with me on fun drives, and even errands.
Had a 991.1 (PDK) and 987.1 (manual), and definitely prefer NA engines, especially with a manual transmission.
When it came time to get back into a 911, and not willing to wait for a 992 GTS, looked for CPO manual GTS's and T's with some original warranty left, which ruled out the 911.1 GTS.
I really didn't like the cloth door handles of the T, or the spec'd wheels (really dislike the 991.2 Carrera S wheels; I like the 991.1 S wheels much better), and I don't like doing any mods on my cars, including changing wheels.
So I ended up with a 991.2 GTS (love the CL wheels) with PDCC and RAS, and it's been a blast to drive.
You're lucky to be able to have a 981 and a 911, but if you're at all considering a 1-car solution for fun and practicality, a 991.2 GTS should be a consideration.
Your 981 GT4 will likely be better with handling and balance, but for most street driving, and certainly for acceleration, a 991.2 GTS should be more than adequately satisfying.
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