Ride Quality- 991.2 VS 992
11-14-2021, 05:28 PM
#1
Ride Quality- 991.2 VS 992
After a few away from these forums, I am back. I drove 911's for many years before switching 3 years ago to a Mercedes SL 450. But I never stopped looking longingly at every 911 I passed on the highway. So I am back. I will be selling my SL 450 and shopping for a slightly used 911- base Carerra. As I know the ride quality ( a big factor to keep my wife happy) improves with every new car Porsche makes, has anyone compared back to back the ride quality for the 991.2 to the newest 992 ?
Thanks as always for the input from this group
Thanks as always for the input from this group
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11-15-2021, 01:33 AM
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You will see a mismatch in my username and the picture of my car. That's because I used to own a 992S, and now have a 991.2 C4S. I daily my cars, no tracks. I ordered my 992, thus no way to test drive it before. When you hit a bump in the 991, it's a quick thud, the 992 feels hollow. The materials in a 992 are thinner, lighter and feel cheap. Not so in a 991.
The 992 was originally designed to, at some point, accommodate some sort of electrification; the wider front, the 8 speed PDK (room for pancake motor) and lighter materials all around to minimize the weight gain of the aforementioned design and transmission. Further evidence of this can be found on the configurator; an option of a larger fuel tank, that was not available in the 2020 cars. Ride wise, they are very similar. I could not tell the difference between the 3 chamber 992 struts vs the 2 chamber struts in the 991 for example. I find the interior of the 991 more comfortable, using soft touch panels, more plush fabrics, and memory foam seats. 991 has greater seat adjustment as well, as the 992 uses a different seat motor cam.
If you want a more sports car feel, that's solid and feels like it's carved out of a solid piece of ingot, while achieving less weight, then get a 991.2. If you want a very responsive grand tourer, that's heavier, even though it's mostly aluminum, then a 992 is for you; keep the microfiber cloths handy, as you will have additional work cleaning off all the finger prints on the large tv screen and shiny black plastic center control section.
I hope this has pointed out some nuanced differences that will help you decide what to do. Good luck.
The 992 was originally designed to, at some point, accommodate some sort of electrification; the wider front, the 8 speed PDK (room for pancake motor) and lighter materials all around to minimize the weight gain of the aforementioned design and transmission. Further evidence of this can be found on the configurator; an option of a larger fuel tank, that was not available in the 2020 cars. Ride wise, they are very similar. I could not tell the difference between the 3 chamber 992 struts vs the 2 chamber struts in the 991 for example. I find the interior of the 991 more comfortable, using soft touch panels, more plush fabrics, and memory foam seats. 991 has greater seat adjustment as well, as the 992 uses a different seat motor cam.
If you want a more sports car feel, that's solid and feels like it's carved out of a solid piece of ingot, while achieving less weight, then get a 991.2. If you want a very responsive grand tourer, that's heavier, even though it's mostly aluminum, then a 992 is for you; keep the microfiber cloths handy, as you will have additional work cleaning off all the finger prints on the large tv screen and shiny black plastic center control section.
I hope this has pointed out some nuanced differences that will help you decide what to do. Good luck.
11-14-2021, 05:49 PM
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992 is better. Here's from an article:
"The basic suspension layout of the 992 is largely similar to that of the 991, though the wider track allows for softer anti-roll bars and slightly stiffer springs in both the Normal and Sport chassis variants. The other big news is the new Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) dampers, which feature Bilstein 'DTX' technology controlled by software written by Porsche engineers. These dampers contain an infinitely adjustable magnetic control valve which controls damping forces in response to a suite of sensors mounted throughout the car. The new PASM dampers react to changing conditions within milliseconds, and provide a 30-40 percent greater spread of compression and rebound damping when compared to the 991 version."
Basically, it's the same, but more active stuff going on. So 992 if this matters.
"The basic suspension layout of the 992 is largely similar to that of the 991, though the wider track allows for softer anti-roll bars and slightly stiffer springs in both the Normal and Sport chassis variants. The other big news is the new Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) dampers, which feature Bilstein 'DTX' technology controlled by software written by Porsche engineers. These dampers contain an infinitely adjustable magnetic control valve which controls damping forces in response to a suite of sensors mounted throughout the car. The new PASM dampers react to changing conditions within milliseconds, and provide a 30-40 percent greater spread of compression and rebound damping when compared to the 991 version."
Basically, it's the same, but more active stuff going on. So 992 if this matters.
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11-14-2021, 06:58 PM
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I've only heard that the 992 smoother. Not sure if that translates to smoother through corners or a more comfortable, plush ride. Probably both.
I have read reports from 991.2 and 922 Turbo S owners that the 991.2 is smoother. This was accounted by several people.
I have read reports from 991.2 and 922 Turbo S owners that the 991.2 is smoother. This was accounted by several people.
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11-14-2021, 08:37 PM
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Not a discernible difference to me. I have a 991.2 4s with standard PASM. Ride is fine with PASM on normal. Sport plus makes it unpleasant and jittery on bad roads, Sport PASM is firmer and I did not care for it. 992 is the same IMO. I could not tell from one brief drive if it was better. In either version, sport PASM will deliver a harsher ride on bad roads. More than ride discomfort, road noise from the tires at highway speeds will be taxing. All 911s have a lot of cabin noise so long highway drives is not the 911’s forte as you must know. With the turbo sixes, almost all cabin noise is tire roar at highway speeds regardless of the tire brand. You can get a loud exhaust to compensate but it just adds to the din.
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11-14-2021, 11:48 PM
#7
Better get the wife on board (literally) before you buy.
Entry and exit is more constrained and the ride won't be SL-like. Likely you know all this.
Long trips in my 991.2 C4S don't bother me in the least, never felt beat up at the end of the day.
As to any difference between the 991 and 992, they felt very similar on track, haven't driven a 992 on the street.
Entry and exit is more constrained and the ride won't be SL-like. Likely you know all this.
Long trips in my 991.2 C4S don't bother me in the least, never felt beat up at the end of the day.
As to any difference between the 991 and 992, they felt very similar on track, haven't driven a 992 on the street.
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11-15-2021, 01:33 AM
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You will see a mismatch in my username and the picture of my car. That's because I used to own a 992S, and now have a 991.2 C4S. I daily my cars, no tracks. I ordered my 992, thus no way to test drive it before. When you hit a bump in the 991, it's a quick thud, the 992 feels hollow. The materials in a 992 are thinner, lighter and feel cheap. Not so in a 991.
The 992 was originally designed to, at some point, accommodate some sort of electrification; the wider front, the 8 speed PDK (room for pancake motor) and lighter materials all around to minimize the weight gain of the aforementioned design and transmission. Further evidence of this can be found on the configurator; an option of a larger fuel tank, that was not available in the 2020 cars. Ride wise, they are very similar. I could not tell the difference between the 3 chamber 992 struts vs the 2 chamber struts in the 991 for example. I find the interior of the 991 more comfortable, using soft touch panels, more plush fabrics, and memory foam seats. 991 has greater seat adjustment as well, as the 992 uses a different seat motor cam.
If you want a more sports car feel, that's solid and feels like it's carved out of a solid piece of ingot, while achieving less weight, then get a 991.2. If you want a very responsive grand tourer, that's heavier, even though it's mostly aluminum, then a 992 is for you; keep the microfiber cloths handy, as you will have additional work cleaning off all the finger prints on the large tv screen and shiny black plastic center control section.
I hope this has pointed out some nuanced differences that will help you decide what to do. Good luck.
The 992 was originally designed to, at some point, accommodate some sort of electrification; the wider front, the 8 speed PDK (room for pancake motor) and lighter materials all around to minimize the weight gain of the aforementioned design and transmission. Further evidence of this can be found on the configurator; an option of a larger fuel tank, that was not available in the 2020 cars. Ride wise, they are very similar. I could not tell the difference between the 3 chamber 992 struts vs the 2 chamber struts in the 991 for example. I find the interior of the 991 more comfortable, using soft touch panels, more plush fabrics, and memory foam seats. 991 has greater seat adjustment as well, as the 992 uses a different seat motor cam.
If you want a more sports car feel, that's solid and feels like it's carved out of a solid piece of ingot, while achieving less weight, then get a 991.2. If you want a very responsive grand tourer, that's heavier, even though it's mostly aluminum, then a 992 is for you; keep the microfiber cloths handy, as you will have additional work cleaning off all the finger prints on the large tv screen and shiny black plastic center control section.
I hope this has pointed out some nuanced differences that will help you decide what to do. Good luck.
11-15-2021, 09:52 AM
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Thanks to All
The quality of the responses on this forum are amazing. I will indeed get the wife on board and take a few test drives. I like the looks of the 991.2 a bit better as I am not a fan of the new tail light. Thanks to all
11-15-2021, 10:51 AM
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Add a 991 with Sport Pasm + DSC controller installed. Game changing mod
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11-15-2021, 11:45 AM
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Easily DIY install if you watch on youtube.
Cost $1390 new (find one used if you want to save some $$)
What is it? It's a faster reacting computer that nets a smoother/more comfortable ride. In sport mode, it is a smoother / better ride than normal mode without the DSC controller. Less dive/squat/roll than stock because it reacts faster.
As far as warranty, you can unplug it before you get it serviced pretty easily if you're afraid of them blacklisting you for warranty.
IF you're local to NJ/NY/PA let me know! I'd be happy to give you a ride in my 991.2 with SPORT PASM and DSC controller
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11-15-2021, 07:09 PM
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You will see a mismatch in my username and the picture of my car. That's because I used to own a 992S, and now have a 991.2 C4S. I daily my cars, no tracks. I ordered my 992, thus no way to test drive it before. When you hit a bump in the 991, it's a quick thud, the 992 feels hollow. The materials in a 992 are thinner, lighter and feel cheap. Not so in a 991.
The 992 was originally designed to, at some point, accommodate some sort of electrification; the wider front, the 8 speed PDK (room for pancake motor) and lighter materials all around to minimize the weight gain of the aforementioned design and transmission. Further evidence of this can be found on the configurator; an option of a larger fuel tank, that was not available in the 2020 cars. Ride wise, they are very similar. I could not tell the difference between the 3 chamber 992 struts vs the 2 chamber struts in the 991 for example. I find the interior of the 991 more comfortable, using soft touch panels, more plush fabrics, and memory foam seats. 991 has greater seat adjustment as well, as the 992 uses a different seat motor cam.
If you want a more sports car feel, that's solid and feels like it's carved out of a solid piece of ingot, while achieving less weight, then get a 991.2. If you want a very responsive grand tourer, that's heavier, even though it's mostly aluminum, then a 992 is for you; keep the microfiber cloths handy, as you will have additional work cleaning off all the finger prints on the large tv screen and shiny black plastic center control section.
I hope this has pointed out some nuanced differences that will help you decide what to do. Good luck.
The 992 was originally designed to, at some point, accommodate some sort of electrification; the wider front, the 8 speed PDK (room for pancake motor) and lighter materials all around to minimize the weight gain of the aforementioned design and transmission. Further evidence of this can be found on the configurator; an option of a larger fuel tank, that was not available in the 2020 cars. Ride wise, they are very similar. I could not tell the difference between the 3 chamber 992 struts vs the 2 chamber struts in the 991 for example. I find the interior of the 991 more comfortable, using soft touch panels, more plush fabrics, and memory foam seats. 991 has greater seat adjustment as well, as the 992 uses a different seat motor cam.
If you want a more sports car feel, that's solid and feels like it's carved out of a solid piece of ingot, while achieving less weight, then get a 991.2. If you want a very responsive grand tourer, that's heavier, even though it's mostly aluminum, then a 992 is for you; keep the microfiber cloths handy, as you will have additional work cleaning off all the finger prints on the large tv screen and shiny black plastic center control section.
I hope this has pointed out some nuanced differences that will help you decide what to do. Good luck.
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11-17-2021, 10:49 AM
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A few months back I adopted a nice 991.1 S after spending the last 20+ yrs owning 3 993's. Certainly do love the 991.1 but quite surprised with the rather harsh ride it has in stock form. Every bump feels square and sharp with loud thud feeling throughout the car. Again, the car was stock with sport design 20" wheels (which doesnt help this matter). I did just install a DSC controller and have started driving with their base map loaded. Certainly noticed square bumps became rounded-off and while overall a ride quality improvement, I still find the car unnecessarily harsh in either of the sport modes, damper on or off. I am looking forward to spending some time with the laptop to run some damping sweeps to better understand the outer boundaries of the controllers range of adjustment and to assess bump sensitivity.
Would also at some point love to sample a .2 and 992 example simply to get a read on ride attributes of the 911 variants. Will report back when I do.
Would also at some point love to sample a .2 and 992 example simply to get a read on ride attributes of the 911 variants. Will report back when I do.
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11-19-2021, 11:05 AM
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I am loving the DSC V3....it does seem to smooth things out, in Normal and Sport mode....I just drive in Sport Mode, so I really can't comment to any depth on the ride in Normal. I would love to download the DSC App and connect up to my PC to see what's going on in there. The DSC V3 is customizable. I'll need a techy to help me with this....for the present, I ain't changing anything in the DSC V3.
Installation as you will see in the above video...15 minutes, and it's presence is ignored by the cars DME system. I have a CPO car, was at the dealers...they had the PIWIS on the car....no comment from them on its presence.
Installation as you will see in the above video...15 minutes, and it's presence is ignored by the cars DME system. I have a CPO car, was at the dealers...they had the PIWIS on the car....no comment from them on its presence.
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