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Old 11-16-2021, 12:19 AM
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Most of our customers love the combination of headers and high flow cats to improve the quality of the exhaust sound and volume; they really add to the experience of the car. You will feel an improvement in response and power also. Of course, the biggest power gain will be from a tune.

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Old 11-16-2021, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by VektorPerformance
Most of our customers love the combination of headers and high flow cats to improve the quality of the exhaust sound and volume; they really add to the experience of the car. You will feel an improvement in response and power also. Of course, the biggest power gain will be from a tune.
I wasn’t happy with the sound of the 3.0 until I added Vektor headers. Even with catless pipes and a Fabspeed X-Pipe was too muted for me coming from a 200 cell sport catted C63S. That thing was LOUD.

I prefer the sound of the 911 over the C63S now. It’s much more race car and has that distinct flat-6 sound
that builds with the RPM’s. The V8 TT in the C63S sounded great, but it was a lot of V8 noise and not much tone.

My C63S with 200 cell downpipes and CF intake:

View this post on Instagram

My 991.2 with Vektor headers, THS catless bypipes and X-Pipe:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CWTLDFWJp5_/



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Old 11-16-2021, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexZTuned
I wasn’t happy with the sound of the 3.0 until I added Vektor headers. Even with catless pipes and a Fabspeed X-Pipe was too muted for me coming from a 200 cell sport catted C63S. That thing was LOUD.

I prefer the sound of the 911 over the C63S now. It’s much more race car and has that distinct flat-6 sound
that builds with the RPM’s. The V8 TT in the C63S sounded great, but it was a lot of V8 noise and not much tone.

My C63S with 200 cell downpipes and CF intake:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJlxhJ1p_6K/

My 991.2 with Vektor headers, THS catless bypipes and X-Pipe:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CWTLDFWJp5_/
Saw your IG - question - did the base 911 C4 shift slower stock vs when you tuned it? Saw one of your videos and the stock looked kind of slow (honestly looks like the C63 trans was better)
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Originally Posted by AlexZTuned
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My 991.2 with Vektor headers, THS catless bypipes and X-Pipe:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CWTLDFWJp5_/

I need more of this!! Sound incredible.....wonder what beefed up turbos would do?!
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Old 11-16-2021, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexZTuned

My 991.2 with Vektor headers, THS catless bypipes and X-Pipe:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CWTLDFWJp5_/
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Old 11-16-2021, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pdkZ
Saw your IG - question - did the base 911 C4 shift slower stock vs when you tuned it? Saw one of your videos and the stock looked kind of slow (honestly looks like the C63 trans was better)
I haven’t tuned the car yet, I’m still running on stock software (working with BBi Autosport on an E85 tune). So shift times are not changed.

I can tell you with absolute confidence the PDK in Sport Plus in manual is on another planet compared to the latest and greatest 9-speed MCT. You need more seat time with a PDK to understand, shift times and responsiveness are based on a number of factors like RPMs, engine load, map (normal, sport, sport plus, and sport response). It will also slip the clutch if needed to manage torque which can be perceived as a slow shift, At times with little throttle input and low rpm, you are not going to fire off rocket shifts either.

However, drive any PDK 991.2 with Sport Chrono, knock it into manual, put it in sport plus, click the sport response button and paddle shift it at wide open throttle - if you still don’t feel a significant difference over the AMG 9-speed you may need to be recalibrated 😉

Even the PDK in my Macan S is a better trans - as much as I hate to say it… and I owned the C63S with it.
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I’ll chime in again and state... get the S zero to 60 3.1, 1/4 11.5.

find a way to buy one and make yourself happy... it’s as fast as 991.1 GT3 when you put on cup 2s and pagid yellow pads on it.
if you get the sports package equipped one., pdcc.... comes with all the goodies.

ive tracked with a few C63 S at Road Atlanta and they can’t keep up on the straights ... not to mention braking and corners.
The 991.2 S beats the AMG everywhere and runs well with the AMG GTs


some track day fun!

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Old 11-16-2021, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NI3
I need more of this!! Sound incredible.....wonder what beefed up turbos would do?!
Here’s another: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CWWKI...dium=copy_link

I have quite a few on my IG and in saved story highlights (see the 991.2 build story)

That’s with TiAL M660’s, Inlet tubes, IC’s, Turbosmart Bypass valves, Vektor Equal Length headers (custom EWG setup - capped off), THS catless bypass pipes, THS X-pipe (no resonators, straight through and super light).

Running the stock ECU (11-12 psi). Seemed to have lost about 1 psi because of how efficient the turbos and hardware is - the ECU doesn’t need to request full boost to make the desired torque.

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Just a very tough decision.

I'm not a guy who's into tuning my cars.

The base has it's appeal & the spec i have potentially is perfect. It handles great.

The C63S is my dream C63S spec. It has more power, torque and speed.

Living in Dallas, there aren't many twisty backroads & 75% of my driving is highway driving.

So that's a factor as well.

Decisions, decisions...
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Other question - will a Cobb/APR tune hurt resale value?

Regardless of which car i get - i'll likely get into a 992s or 991.2 GTS in the next 2-4 years
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Originally Posted by pdkZ
Questions:
1) Are the 991s soo overpriced now & may come crashing down in a year or so? (I'd want to move up to an S or 992 in the next 3 years.)
2) Is the 991.2 base enough?
3) Does the S PDK shift faster than the base? (Seems like it may be the case from YT vids i watched)
4) Do you notice a difference from the brakes not being 6-piston?
1) While luxury cars are priced high right now, until the chip shortage gets more cars into the system I think it will stay high. That and Boomers need to stop making so much money on their investments and get back to traveling.
2) Yes.
3) Same
4) Not unless you are on the track.

I think you are overthinking this.
  • I have an RS5 Sportback… which, roughly equates to your AMG. It has 444hp, 443 torque and goes 0-60 in 3.8… Same as your AMG.
  • I also have a ‘base’ 991.2… (Albeit a ‘T’.)
The 991.2 makes getting back into the RS5 like getting into a Lincoln Town car.. It (the base 911) is a totally different experience! Even though the RS5 will beat the pants off the 911 in acceleration…. 4.3 vs 3.8 seconds. (Mine is MT, which is slower than PDK.)

Which is more fun to drive on the weekend? The 991.2.
What do I take on the track? The base 991.2
If it weren’t for hauling people and stuff, which would I drive every day? The 991.2

Maybe some of the “T features” like Mech LSD and gear ratios are swaying me heavily here, but I don’t think you’ll notice base vs S for 95% of the roads you’ll travel.
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have the Cobb,,it can removed at any time and revert back to stock
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I wouldn’t do it. Those cars were 70-75k 2.5 years ago and IMO will be the model (along with the 3.4 991.1) that will correct the fastest.

Also the base doesn’t have a limited slip differential and has taller gearing than the other three models.

Unless you are driving it like Miss Daisy, T, S, or GTS. If all motor interests you give a 991.1 S or GTS a spin.

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Originally Posted by pdkZ
I'm not a guy who's into tuning my cars.

The base has it's appeal & the spec i have potentially is perfect. It handles great.
Tune offer more than just peak power. The throttle response, power delivery, and overall drivability are exceptional. No way I could go back to stock calibration after have a tune. (FVD 93 octane - 991.2 C2 coupe PDK)
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Old 11-18-2021, 11:15 AM
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I bought it!!
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