Need advice on 30k mile service interval
05-10-2021, 06:15 PM
#1
Need advice on 30k mile service interval
Hi everyone,
I have a new to me 2017 991.2 C2S which I received March 2021
Quick 1 year history:
Oct 2020 - certified as CPO
Nov 2020 - Looks like 20k mile service was done @ 24,500 miles. Oil/filter changed, brake fluid changed, fuel system cleaned/serviced, front rotors replaced, front pads replaced, rear pads replaced, cabin air filter replaced
March 2021 - 24,5xx miles, I took delivery from a dealer that did not do the CPO, so the CPO is lost unfortunately.
May 2021 - Today. 25,xxx miles
Basically no miles on it since the CPO and previous services were done in 2020. Also full warranty until July 2021 (warranty started July 2017 per carfax). Now, it looks like my next service date would be Nov 2021 and the dealer told me it's the 30k mile service which is oil service, spark plugs replaced, full inspection. (he said rough estimate of $2,000)
My situation doesnt allow me to drive it alot, so I dont expect to even hit 30k miles until spring/summer of 2022. Should I still get the 30k service in the next few months, no later than Nov 2021? Or is this a bit overkill? Being I've barely put 600 miles on it since it was through multiple services in Q4 of 2020.
I'm all for keeping this thing in top shape but it seems like overkill to be going back in for a full service after only MAYBE a few thousand miles and before 30k for sure.
Maybe part of it is sticker shock seeing how much money is going into a still fully warranted vehicle. IE comparing it to my previous 2017 Z06 vette that i drove for 3 years and didnt have to spend a dime on it outside of an annual $120 oil change.
Thoughts? what would you do?
I have a new to me 2017 991.2 C2S which I received March 2021
Quick 1 year history:
Oct 2020 - certified as CPO
Nov 2020 - Looks like 20k mile service was done @ 24,500 miles. Oil/filter changed, brake fluid changed, fuel system cleaned/serviced, front rotors replaced, front pads replaced, rear pads replaced, cabin air filter replaced
March 2021 - 24,5xx miles, I took delivery from a dealer that did not do the CPO, so the CPO is lost unfortunately.
May 2021 - Today. 25,xxx miles
Basically no miles on it since the CPO and previous services were done in 2020. Also full warranty until July 2021 (warranty started July 2017 per carfax). Now, it looks like my next service date would be Nov 2021 and the dealer told me it's the 30k mile service which is oil service, spark plugs replaced, full inspection. (he said rough estimate of $2,000)
My situation doesnt allow me to drive it alot, so I dont expect to even hit 30k miles until spring/summer of 2022. Should I still get the 30k service in the next few months, no later than Nov 2021? Or is this a bit overkill? Being I've barely put 600 miles on it since it was through multiple services in Q4 of 2020.
I'm all for keeping this thing in top shape but it seems like overkill to be going back in for a full service after only MAYBE a few thousand miles and before 30k for sure.
Maybe part of it is sticker shock seeing how much money is going into a still fully warranted vehicle. IE comparing it to my previous 2017 Z06 vette that i drove for 3 years and didnt have to spend a dime on it outside of an annual $120 oil change.
Thoughts? what would you do?
Last edited by p3rs1st; 05-10-2021 at 06:45 PM.
05-10-2021, 06:37 PM
#2
Ok I am trying to decipher your post. Since you don't drive a lot, your service will be date based. Does the below sound right?
Purchase date/OEM Warranty start July 17
One year anniv. July 18
Two year anniv. July 19
Three year anniv. July 20
---November 20 - "20K" service done at 24.5K
---March 21 - You buy the car
---May 21 - "Today" @ 25.XK
Four year anniv. July 21 (and end of OEM 4 year warranty)
From what I recall in my 2017 C2 maintenance booklet, the "next" service due would be 10K/1 year past the 20K service. Since you won't drive 10K, "a year" past November 20 would be November 21, which would be (according to the book) at least an oil change (and the two filters, which are dead easy to DIY; I paid $66 at www.sunsetporsche.com for both and did them myself in 15 minutes. It is so easy a caveman can do it.
). So, if I were in your situation, I would wait until November and do a normal oil change. Since the plugs are on a four year interval, you can do this in July (four years) but since you are out of warranty at that point, maintaining the car using your $ to keep the warranty in effect is kind of a moot point.
I will say opinions are mixed on "why" the plugs are included at 30K/four years. I subscribe to the theory that the plugs are lifed and, if you leave them well past 30K/four years, may seize to the heads, worst case. It's my belief that is why Porsche includes that quite a bit earlier than many expect is "normal". I had mine done as part of my 30K service ($636 at the Dealer). YMMV, of course. Same for oil, some don't believe in annual oil changes, despite "low" mileage. I believe that oil, once run, develops contaminants that I would prefer were removed at least annually through an oil and filter change. My situation is different, in that I can and do my own oil changes (my last one was $89, parts only.) Again, YMMV.
One last thing, there is a lot of different thoughts on the plugs being 30K/3 years or 30K/4 years. My maint manual says 30K/4 years, so be sure and check yours to confirm what Porsche says about your car.
Purchase date/OEM Warranty start July 17
One year anniv. July 18
Two year anniv. July 19
Three year anniv. July 20
---November 20 - "20K" service done at 24.5K
---March 21 - You buy the car
---May 21 - "Today" @ 25.XK
Four year anniv. July 21 (and end of OEM 4 year warranty)
From what I recall in my 2017 C2 maintenance booklet, the "next" service due would be 10K/1 year past the 20K service. Since you won't drive 10K, "a year" past November 20 would be November 21, which would be (according to the book) at least an oil change (and the two filters, which are dead easy to DIY; I paid $66 at www.sunsetporsche.com for both and did them myself in 15 minutes. It is so easy a caveman can do it.
). So, if I were in your situation, I would wait until November and do a normal oil change. Since the plugs are on a four year interval, you can do this in July (four years) but since you are out of warranty at that point, maintaining the car using your $ to keep the warranty in effect is kind of a moot point.I will say opinions are mixed on "why" the plugs are included at 30K/four years. I subscribe to the theory that the plugs are lifed and, if you leave them well past 30K/four years, may seize to the heads, worst case. It's my belief that is why Porsche includes that quite a bit earlier than many expect is "normal". I had mine done as part of my 30K service ($636 at the Dealer). YMMV, of course. Same for oil, some don't believe in annual oil changes, despite "low" mileage. I believe that oil, once run, develops contaminants that I would prefer were removed at least annually through an oil and filter change. My situation is different, in that I can and do my own oil changes (my last one was $89, parts only.) Again, YMMV.
One last thing, there is a lot of different thoughts on the plugs being 30K/3 years or 30K/4 years. My maint manual says 30K/4 years, so be sure and check yours to confirm what Porsche says about your car.
Last edited by Rich_Jenkins; 05-10-2021 at 06:48 PM.
05-10-2021, 06:44 PM
#3
Ok I am trying to decipher your post. Since you don't drive a lot, your service will be date based. Does the below sound right?
Purchase date/OEM Warranty start July 17
One year anniv. July 18
Two year anniv. July 19
Three year anniv. July 20
November 20 - "20K" service done at 24.5K
March 21 - You buy the car
May 21 - "Today" @ 25.XK
Four year anniv. July 21 (and end of OEM 4 year warranty)
From what I recall in my 2017 C2 maintenance booklet, the "next" service due would be 10K/1 year past the 20K service. Since you won't drive 10K, "a year" past November 20 would be November 21, which would be (according to the book) at least an oil change (and the two filters, which are dead easy to DIY). So, if I were in your situation, I would wait until November and do a normal oil change. Since the plugs are on a four year interval, you can do this in July (four years) but since you are out of warranty at that point, maintaining the car using your $ to keep the warranty in effect is kind of a moot point.
I will say opinions are mixed on "why" the plugs are included at 30K/four years. I subscribe to the theory that the plugs are lifed and, if you leave them well past 30K/four years, may seize to the heads, worst case. It's my belief that is why Porsche includes that quite a bit earlier than many expect is "normal". I had mine done as part of my 30K service. YMMV, of course. Same for oil, some don't believe in annual oil changes, despite "low" mileage. I believe that oil, once run, develops contaminants that I would prefer were removed at least annually through an oil and filter change. My situation is different, in that I can and do my own oil changes (my last one was $89, parts only.) Again, YMMV.
One last thing, there is a lot of different thoughts on the plugs being 30K/3 years or 30K/4 years. My maint manual says 30K/4 years, so be sure and check yours to confirm what Porsche says about your car.
Purchase date/OEM Warranty start July 17
One year anniv. July 18
Two year anniv. July 19
Three year anniv. July 20
November 20 - "20K" service done at 24.5K
March 21 - You buy the car
May 21 - "Today" @ 25.XK
Four year anniv. July 21 (and end of OEM 4 year warranty)
From what I recall in my 2017 C2 maintenance booklet, the "next" service due would be 10K/1 year past the 20K service. Since you won't drive 10K, "a year" past November 20 would be November 21, which would be (according to the book) at least an oil change (and the two filters, which are dead easy to DIY). So, if I were in your situation, I would wait until November and do a normal oil change. Since the plugs are on a four year interval, you can do this in July (four years) but since you are out of warranty at that point, maintaining the car using your $ to keep the warranty in effect is kind of a moot point.
I will say opinions are mixed on "why" the plugs are included at 30K/four years. I subscribe to the theory that the plugs are lifed and, if you leave them well past 30K/four years, may seize to the heads, worst case. It's my belief that is why Porsche includes that quite a bit earlier than many expect is "normal". I had mine done as part of my 30K service. YMMV, of course. Same for oil, some don't believe in annual oil changes, despite "low" mileage. I believe that oil, once run, develops contaminants that I would prefer were removed at least annually through an oil and filter change. My situation is different, in that I can and do my own oil changes (my last one was $89, parts only.) Again, YMMV.
One last thing, there is a lot of different thoughts on the plugs being 30K/3 years or 30K/4 years. My maint manual says 30K/4 years, so be sure and check yours to confirm what Porsche says about your car.
05-10-2021, 07:23 PM
#4
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Agree with everything @Rich_Jenkins said except what he paid for spark plugs at dealer was cheap. I just paid nearly $1k so really depends on your market. But he’s spot on about the intervals.
Also, great that you got the car fully up to date service wise including new rotors and pads. That job would’ve cost you a few grand at dealer. Much cheaper of course as DIY.
I’m curious about the fuel system maintenance though and what exactly they do for that.
also... Be sure to have them inspect the water pump because that is notorious for failing on these cars. Mine was replaced maybe 4 months before warranty expired.
Also, great that you got the car fully up to date service wise including new rotors and pads. That job would’ve cost you a few grand at dealer. Much cheaper of course as DIY.
I’m curious about the fuel system maintenance though and what exactly they do for that.
also... Be sure to have them inspect the water pump because that is notorious for failing on these cars. Mine was replaced maybe 4 months before warranty expired.
Last edited by Tier1Terrier; 05-10-2021 at 07:26 PM.
05-10-2021, 09:41 PM
#5
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Unless something has changed once a car is CPO'ed just as long as it is sold by the previous owner or traded into a Porsche dealer and resold through the Porsche dealer network the CPO stays in tact.
If it goes through a non Porsche dealer the CPO is lost.
I haven't read the CPO material in a while.... brb.
https://www.porsche.com/usa/approved...ures/warranty/
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05-11-2021, 08:33 AM
#6
Agree with above. Consider oil and oil filter change with UOA every 6 months or 5k miles and changing coils every time you change plugs regardless of what the owners manual states.
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05-11-2021, 11:20 AM
#9
Quick question. When you say you bought your car at a dealer ...... Porsche dealer?
Unless something has changed once a car is CPO'ed just as long as it is sold by the previous owner or traded into a Porsche dealer and resold through the Porsche dealer network the CPO stays in tact.
If it goes through a non Porsche dealer the CPO is lost.
I haven't read the CPO material in a while.... brb.
https://www.porsche.com/usa/approved...ures/warranty/
Unless something has changed once a car is CPO'ed just as long as it is sold by the previous owner or traded into a Porsche dealer and resold through the Porsche dealer network the CPO stays in tact.
If it goes through a non Porsche dealer the CPO is lost.
I haven't read the CPO material in a while.... brb.
https://www.porsche.com/usa/approved...ures/warranty/
So it went: Porsche dealer did CPO > sold to non porsche dealer > sold to me.
I guess it's still a nice piece of mind to know that it qualified for CPO less than 1k miles ago.
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05-12-2021, 02:37 PM
#10
Thanks everyone so far for the input.
I have also now purchased a platinum 3yr/36k mile warranty via Fidelity for the peace of mind
As of now I am going to push the oil change out till closer to the 1 year mark in November 2021
As far as the plugs go, if I'm fully warranted till 2024 are spark plugs still something that should be done at the 4 year mark? I've read they dont really go bad, but they can seize and be tough to get out when the time comes. Not sure if warranty covers that since it's probably 'wear items'.
I've also read people DIY the spark plugs but the dealer told me they have to remove the turbos which is why it's so expensive. Is this true or what? How easy it is?
thanks
Dan
I have also now purchased a platinum 3yr/36k mile warranty via Fidelity for the peace of mind
As of now I am going to push the oil change out till closer to the 1 year mark in November 2021
As far as the plugs go, if I'm fully warranted till 2024 are spark plugs still something that should be done at the 4 year mark? I've read they dont really go bad, but they can seize and be tough to get out when the time comes. Not sure if warranty covers that since it's probably 'wear items'.
I've also read people DIY the spark plugs but the dealer told me they have to remove the turbos which is why it's so expensive. Is this true or what? How easy it is?
thanks
Dan
05-12-2021, 02:50 PM
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it may still be CPO covered. A call to PCNA would clarify that. They don’t always know who/how it was last traded.
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05-12-2021, 02:54 PM
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Thanks everyone so far for the input.
I have also now purchased a platinum 3yr/36k mile warranty via Fidelity for the peace of mind
As of now I am going to push the oil change out till closer to the 1 year mark in November 2021
As far as the plugs go, if I'm fully warranted till 2024 are spark plugs still something that should be done at the 4 year mark? I've read they dont really go bad, but they can seize and be tough to get out when the time comes. Not sure if warranty covers that since it's probably 'wear items'.
I've also read people DIY the spark plugs but the dealer told me they have to remove the turbos which is why it's so expensive. Is this true or what? How easy it is?
thanks
Dan
I have also now purchased a platinum 3yr/36k mile warranty via Fidelity for the peace of mind
As of now I am going to push the oil change out till closer to the 1 year mark in November 2021
As far as the plugs go, if I'm fully warranted till 2024 are spark plugs still something that should be done at the 4 year mark? I've read they dont really go bad, but they can seize and be tough to get out when the time comes. Not sure if warranty covers that since it's probably 'wear items'.
I've also read people DIY the spark plugs but the dealer told me they have to remove the turbos which is why it's so expensive. Is this true or what? How easy it is?
thanks
Dan
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05-12-2021, 04:21 PM
#14
My 991.1 was manual as is my 991.2 so perhaps I didn't use the brakes quite as much but it does seem that new brakes at 24.5k miles is really early so either the CPO dealer was extra cautious or it was being driven really hard.
05-12-2021, 04:47 PM
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