Looking at a 2012 991.1 Base Cab w/ April 1, 2012 build date with the following options ($115,570.00):

76 Sport Exhaust System 1V Cabriolet Roof in Black 250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 319 Sport seats Plus (left) 320 Sport seats Plus (right) 342 Seat heating (front) 541 Seat ventilation (front) 636 ParkAssist (front and rear) 640 Sport Chrono Package 690 SiriusXM(R) & HD Radio(R) rcvr 748 Electric folding ext. mirrors 840 SportDesign steering wheel 911 Model Designation "911" AZ Black leather interior P05 Sport seats Plus P3 Racing Yellow XHN Seat belts in Racing Yellow XRT 20-inch SportTechno wheel

Mileage is at 37,038

Carfax shows two owners, one is listed as corporate fleet. No accidents listed, Shows Oil Change early, second at 8k, service at a Porsche dealer at 17k; then nothing between 1/17 and 1/19; oil at 35k and two oil changes August and November, no change in mileage.

What is odd is that it went to auction 6/1/20; doesn't sell at Missouri dealer; goes to auction August again and has been for sale by local dealer since then. Price was over 60k now below 60k.

Moving from 997.1 Carrera S Cab. (https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1224741) and my BMW 650i to one daily.

Dealer will not allow ppi. I can bring my code reader and know a lot about cars, but with the engines so well hidden and no lift I am somewhat limited.

 

"Dealer will not allow PPI" is a hard pass for me. Even if you are knowledgeable, the fact that the dealer won't allow it is very sketchy. If there were no issues with the vehicle there is no reason the dealer would be opposed to a PPI.

I would walk away.

 

Without a PPI they better be certifying it but not sure if it is aged out? Or including a fidelity warranty?

Under 60 seems good for a clean car with that mileage.

 

I bought a 2013 991 Coupe back in September 2020 with 34.8k miles and paid $53,000. It had all the equipment and the colors I wanted (white/black). I did not do a PPI but did look at the car underneath using a lift and test drove it. I didn't hear, see, or feel any issues. My brakes and rotors were recently changed and almost new.

To me, you have 3 main concerns - potential motor, tranny, and AC issues. Make sure these seem to work well and you should be okay. I didn't see any evidence of leaks underneath.

Even if I have a pricey repair, I feel I bought the car cheap enough to make it all worth it. Several months later, I am pleased (and maybe lucky?) !

 

Based on my recent searches, that's at the low end of the range.

 

Is it a Porsche Dealer?

What's their reason for not allowing you to take it and get a PPI done...... OR are you saying they will not preform the PPI?

I know many dealers stopped doing that.

 

It is at the low end. If you looked at prices a year ago, it was right on target. For some reason, prices are way up this year on all used cars. Is it because of COVID reducing the number of new cars? Not sure.

My point is "don't pay too much." Individual sellers seem to be willing to negotiate more vs. dealers. They will probably allow PPIs too.

 

Is there any service info available that could provide a source for further info? The service history is pretty sketchy. Two oil changes with no changes in mileage seems non value-added. My search for what turned out to be a 991.1 C2S took 6 months of diligence. Even if every other box was checked, the service history on this one would have most likely caused me to walk away. The refusal to allow a PPI would have sealed the no deal. I read a lot of Carfax reports and saw some real strange stuff.

Biggest lesson learned: The cars you want to buy sell really fast - like a week tops. There's a reason a 911 isn't selling. You don't want to find out what that reason is after you buy it.

I was fortunate to find a car that had all of the service done on schedule at Porsche dealers, talked to the service department at the dealers and the current owner, and got a PPI. Still felt like a crapshoot.

Another possible option. Is there a return period established in your state for cars. Here in WA I believe you have three days to back out of a car deal and I believe it also applies to used vehicles. If there is, it would provide a window of opportunity to get a PPI done and return it if you didn't like the result.

 

Walk away. PPI is a must on these cars.....A reputable dealer would not discourage a PPI. Big red flag if it were me....

 

Do they allow PPI's on other cars on their lot?
If they do, this answers the is there something wrong with it question.

I bought my 2012.5 October 2018 with 52k on it and just looked at the records, took it for a drive, and threw it on my buddy's lift.
The things underneath were a scraped inside of the wheel, maybe from a carwash guide, and someone went up a curb enough to slightly indent the bottom of the frunk.
I also picked up a 60k/4 year exclusionary warranty for ~$4k that has been a waste of money over the 26k miles I've added.

We all know Porsche buyers are finicky in general, so you should get a break on lack of records, repaired damage, and lack of excellent care/maintenance. since you'll do the same on trade/resale.
I was looking for a new DD, so higher mileage with a couple less than perfect items helped get it for a price I liked. Then of course I had the bumpers reshot, replaced the carpet with new clean black, and a few other touches to make it how I like.

 

I purchased a 2012.5 S cab in August . It has been a SF car from day one. 13.6K on it with Porsche service records from new. After speaking to the long time owner, driving it and looking at the underside on a lift, this GQ that has never seen weather did not get a PPI prior to purchase...did not feel the need on this honest car. The seller had no problem with me getting a PPI. If I was going to DD it, most likely would have. If something fails, I'll repair it. You can't predict the future even if you do a PPI... especially if it's a GQ. It's always a crap shoot, even with a brand new car.

 

Remember a PPI can only do so much. They can only see so much. Also, I'm sure there's no warranty with what they don't find.

 

18k miles over two years without any service records + no PPI + bouncing in and out of auctions and dealers = not something I'd be comfortable with as a sole daily driver.

Dealer not allowing PPI indicates that it would not pass the needed requirements otherwise they would be "willing" to do it even if at your expense.

 

If you can't do a PPI how long do you have after purchase to return the car? You can do a PPI after purchase.
If there is no warranty available, or that you can purchase, that would make me take pause.

The other thing you can ask for is a "weekend" test drive. I know some dealers will let you have the car for a day or two. Then you can do a PPI.

The other thing to do, is call and ask about another car with another sales person and ask about PPI. It might just be salesperson BS, they fling a lot of ****.

 

I've never bought a performance car without taking it for at least a day before finalizing. No Porsche dealer has ever refused that request. If they also aren't ok with that (in addition to the PPI), I wouldn't feel comfortable buying that car.