Thoughts on this 991.2 and cost?
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Note - other than title and ownership info, I wouldn’t trust a carfax. I know of plenty of situations where a car had thousands of dollars of body work done and it never showed up on the carfax.
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I recommend you not buy any 911 unless you first obtain and study all of the car’s service records. If you were buying from a dealer, you’d ask for those and you’d get them in 5 minutes. In this case, probably not so simple. But if you find out where the car was bought, I’d go to that dealer with the VIN and ask politely. You may have to slip some money to a service manager, but it’s in their interest to accommodate you because they’ll want to see you for service. They may balk at not revealing the previous owner’s name. My dealer scrubbed that Info from the records I was given, so that’s not really an excuse. Especially if you offer them some $$.
Note - other than title and ownership info, I wouldn’t trust a carfax. I know of plenty of situations where a car had thousands of dollars of body work done and it never showed up on the carfax.
Note - other than title and ownership info, I wouldn’t trust a carfax. I know of plenty of situations where a car had thousands of dollars of body work done and it never showed up on the carfax.
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How many miles do you plan to drive per year? Only asking to figure out when you’ll likely be out of warranty. Since CPO isn’t an option, use that as a negotiating point to see if they’ll come down since that is something near and dear to us used Porsche buyers. However, if you do plan to rack up the miles, the CPO, which adds around $3k to the price, adds 2 years and unlimited miles - that’s real value that I would want. But again, pull the trigger if it’s the one. Good look’n car.
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How many miles do you plan to drive per year? Only asking to figure out when you’ll likely be out of warranty. Since CPO isn’t an option, use that as a negotiating point to see if they’ll come down since that is something near and dear to us used Porsche buyers. However, if you do plan to rack up the miles, the CPO, which adds around $3k to the price, adds 2 years and unlimited miles - that’s real value that I would want. But again, pull the trigger if it’s the one. Good look’n car.
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And your point is? It’s irrelevant that it was a lease and the car has 10k miles. Was the lease from a Porsche dealer, or a third-party lease?
Do whatever you want, obviously. Maybe you’ll be lucky. But I wouldn’t buy a current (ie, not a vintage) used 911 except from a dealer as a CPO, and then only after having reviewed all the service records. Caveat emptor applies in spades with 911s.
Do whatever you want, obviously. Maybe you’ll be lucky. But I wouldn’t buy a current (ie, not a vintage) used 911 except from a dealer as a CPO, and then only after having reviewed all the service records. Caveat emptor applies in spades with 911s.
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Ouch! I would much rather get a 2017 with 10k miles for $85,000-90,000 (private party will be low to mid 80's for sure). That is just me though. Just imagine: if you don't drive this car for 2 years, the most you can sell it for is that 2017 price (say $20k less than you paid); that is flat out yearly depreciation. A 2017 won't lose that kind of money over the next 2 years if you don't drive it; depreciation is likely to be 50-60% of the 2019's depreciation. So, essentially by buying a 2-year newer version of the same car with the same mileage (no difference in anything but the production year) you are paying a $4,000-$5,000 premium. That is a lot of money (and yes, I would get a GTS; just look for one without sport suspension. Any 4S that has the sport package will have GTS suspension; you need one without it if you don't like the sport ride).
If you are going for the best value, grabbing a 2017 as others mentioned is going to leave money in your pocket and save you money upfront.
If you are going for the best value, grabbing a 2017 as others mentioned is going to leave money in your pocket and save you money upfront.
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Ouch! I would much rather get a 2017 with 10k miles for $85,000-90,000 (private party will be low to mid 80's for sure). That is just me though. Just imagine: if you don't drive this car for 2 years, the most you can sell it for is that 2017 price (say $20k less than you paid); that is flat out yearly depreciation. A 2017 won't lose that kind of money over the next 2 years if you don't drive it; depreciation is likely to be 50-60% of the 2019's depreciation. So, essentially by buying a 2-year newer version of the same car with the same mileage (no difference in anything but the production year) you are paying a $4,000-$5,000 premium. That is a lot of money (and yes, I would get a GTS; just look for one without sport suspension. Any 4S that has the sport package will have GTS suspension; you need one without it if you don't like the sport ride).
If you are going for the best value, grabbing a 2017 as others mentioned is going to leave money in your pocket and save you money upfront.
If you are going for the best value, grabbing a 2017 as others mentioned is going to leave money in your pocket and save you money upfront.
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If you're buying the car as a daily driver and you want a 911, forget about cost, re-sale and depreciation and whatever else there is. If you have these concerns, forget a Porsche and buy something else. Money savings and Porsche are not mutually inclusive.
Have a '19 C4S ordered my way (which there's less discount), just passed 11k miles in a year and five months. Drive it every day, in the rain or in the sun. Today I'm 4 hours away from home after driving it from Florida to Georgia to North Carolina to Alabama (Porsche 3-day PTX) and back home. I try to enjoy it under all conditions and it has never failed to provide a great feeling.
No one needs a Porsche for transportation, one needs a Porsche for the feeling and enjoyment it provides. It's a toy, but a reliable one and for it's performance, a better choice that many exotics.
Finding that good used car that ticks your boxes isn't easy. If you find one you like, don't get caught up in someone else's opinion over what they think of the car.
Your find is not a common car, but what would dissuade me from a purchase is that it's not from a dealer where you can get a CPO.
I too didn't go for a GTS, there are features (Alcantara) I didn't desire. The 30HP extra are OK but in the real world, it's negligible. An S will get it done.
Good luck on your journey.
Have a '19 C4S ordered my way (which there's less discount), just passed 11k miles in a year and five months. Drive it every day, in the rain or in the sun. Today I'm 4 hours away from home after driving it from Florida to Georgia to North Carolina to Alabama (Porsche 3-day PTX) and back home. I try to enjoy it under all conditions and it has never failed to provide a great feeling.
No one needs a Porsche for transportation, one needs a Porsche for the feeling and enjoyment it provides. It's a toy, but a reliable one and for it's performance, a better choice that many exotics.
Finding that good used car that ticks your boxes isn't easy. If you find one you like, don't get caught up in someone else's opinion over what they think of the car.
Your find is not a common car, but what would dissuade me from a purchase is that it's not from a dealer where you can get a CPO.
I too didn't go for a GTS, there are features (Alcantara) I didn't desire. The 30HP extra are OK but in the real world, it's negligible. An S will get it done.
Good luck on your journey.
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If you're buying the car as a daily driver and you want a 911, forget about cost, re-sale and depreciation and whatever else there is. If you have these concerns, forget a Porsche and buy something else. Money savings and Porsche are not mutually inclusive.
Have a '19 C4S ordered my way (which there's less discount), just passed 11k miles in a year and five months. Drive it every day, in the rain or in the sun. Today I'm 4 hours away from home after driving it from Florida to Georgia to North Carolina to Alabama (Porsche 3-day PTX) and back home. I try to enjoy it under all conditions and it has never failed to provide a great feeling.
No one needs a Porsche for transportation, one needs a Porsche for the feeling and enjoyment it provides. It's a toy, but a reliable one and for it's performance, a better choice that many exotics.
Finding that good used car that ticks your boxes isn't easy. If you find one you like, don't get caught up in someone else's opinion over what they think of the car.
Your find is not a common car, but what would dissuade me from a purchase is that it's not from a dealer where you can get a CPO.
I too didn't go for a GTS, there are features (Alcantara) I didn't desire. The 30HP extra are OK but in the real world, it's negligible. An S will get it done.
Good luck on your journey.
Have a '19 C4S ordered my way (which there's less discount), just passed 11k miles in a year and five months. Drive it every day, in the rain or in the sun. Today I'm 4 hours away from home after driving it from Florida to Georgia to North Carolina to Alabama (Porsche 3-day PTX) and back home. I try to enjoy it under all conditions and it has never failed to provide a great feeling.
No one needs a Porsche for transportation, one needs a Porsche for the feeling and enjoyment it provides. It's a toy, but a reliable one and for it's performance, a better choice that many exotics.
Finding that good used car that ticks your boxes isn't easy. If you find one you like, don't get caught up in someone else's opinion over what they think of the car.
Your find is not a common car, but what would dissuade me from a purchase is that it's not from a dealer where you can get a CPO.
I too didn't go for a GTS, there are features (Alcantara) I didn't desire. The 30HP extra are OK but in the real world, it's negligible. An S will get it done.
Good luck on your journey.
Question, can Porsche offer a extended warranty if I don't buy it there?
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Porsche does offer extended warranties as long as the car is within the original warranty.
Whether or not it’s available to a second owner, I don’t know.
There’s information on the Porsche site under Financial Services but a visit to a dealer may be more definitive.
Whether or not it’s available to a second owner, I don’t know.
There’s information on the Porsche site under Financial Services but a visit to a dealer may be more definitive.