If Im not in the snow, why do I need a 4 or 4S
#48
For cornering at the limit the 4S would have some inherant advantages that would only be visible at the limit on a track. That being said... rear wheel steering would close this gap; probably. For mountain driving, the AWD guys aren't any quicker Actually, the GT3 cars aren't any faster either! When we knit these things, remember that contemporary cars are good enough that these differences are only noticeable on the track and the conversation for how 99% of us use our cars is just fodder.
In <991 the 4S did add some appreciated weight and grip to the front but the 991.1+ chassis drives much more like a mid engine car than a rear engine car.
#50
This would be an interesting real world test. My Hypothesis is that yes, with launch control the 4S should be able to shoot off the line quicker but for real world, or anything other than launch control I bet the difference will be nil or even the 2S being slightly faster.
For cornering at the limit the 4S would have some inherant advantages that would only be visible at the limit on a track. That being said... rear wheel steering would close this gap; probably. For mountain driving, the AWD guys aren't any quicker Actually, the GT3 cars aren't any faster either! When we knit these things, remember that contemporary cars are good enough that these differences are only noticeable on the track and the conversation for how 99% of us use our cars is just fodder.
In <991 the 4S did add some appreciated weight and grip to the front but the 991.1+ chassis drives much more like a mid engine car than a rear engine car.
For cornering at the limit the 4S would have some inherant advantages that would only be visible at the limit on a track. That being said... rear wheel steering would close this gap; probably. For mountain driving, the AWD guys aren't any quicker Actually, the GT3 cars aren't any faster either! When we knit these things, remember that contemporary cars are good enough that these differences are only noticeable on the track and the conversation for how 99% of us use our cars is just fodder.
In <991 the 4S did add some appreciated weight and grip to the front but the 991.1+ chassis drives much more like a mid engine car than a rear engine car.
That said, this modern day Carrera T with no RWS tucks it's nose in on throttle-lift from about 40mph up. A pretty accessible characteristic that is classic 911. You'd never feel that in an AWD car. Or a car with rear steering.
#52
Yes, and for most cars it's that way. I think of my local PCA chapter and i assume most people have the desire to take their 911 to the track at least a few times, but that's maybe not the case. I'm always interested in a track and street balance single car. One which the limit and true behavior of the car is experienced. The 'one' car will never exist but a 911 is the closest it could ever get.
That said this modern day Carrera T with no RWS tucks it's nose in on throttle-lift from about 40mph up. A pretty accessible characteristic that is classic 911. You'd never feel that in an AWD car.
That said this modern day Carrera T with no RWS tucks it's nose in on throttle-lift from about 40mph up. A pretty accessible characteristic that is classic 911. You'd never feel that in an AWD car.
I will say that I also greatly enjoy the AWD traction and the power offered by the Turbo and Turbo S cars, and the unique feeling that it offers. It's truly a fun experience, although a different kind of fun. Fortunately Porsche makes many variants of the 911. There's a butt for every seat. My car isn't a track beast, it's a weekend GT cruiser and mountain road carver. The combination of AWD, RWS, and an open cabriolet top makes for a different kind of fun. It's all good.
#54
Yes. I think of my local PCA chapter and i assume most people have the desire to take their 911 to the track at least a few times, but that's maybe not the case. I'm always interested in a track and street balance single car. One which the limit and true behavior of the car is experienced. The 'one' car will never exist but a 911 is the closest it could ever get.
That said, this modern day Carrera T with no RWS tucks it's nose in on throttle-lift from about 40mph up. A pretty accessible characteristic that is classic 911. You'd never feel that in an AWD car. Or a car with rear steering.
That said, this modern day Carrera T with no RWS tucks it's nose in on throttle-lift from about 40mph up. A pretty accessible characteristic that is classic 911. You'd never feel that in an AWD car. Or a car with rear steering.
#55
I appreciate your perspective and I think you're right in many respects. I've driven many RWD 911s on the track, and there's something magical about that feeling when you hit an apex just right and power out of the curve. Hitting it just right in a 911 feels different from any other car that I've driven on the track.
I will say that I also greatly enjoy the AWD traction and the power offered by the Turbo and Turbo S cars, and the unique feeling that it offers. It's truly a fun experience, although a different kind of fun. Fortunately Porsche makes many variants of the 911. There's a butt for every seat. My car isn't a track beast, it's a weekend GT cruiser and mountain road carver. The combination of AWD, RWS, and an open cabriolet top makes for a different kind of fun. It's all good.
I will say that I also greatly enjoy the AWD traction and the power offered by the Turbo and Turbo S cars, and the unique feeling that it offers. It's truly a fun experience, although a different kind of fun. Fortunately Porsche makes many variants of the 911. There's a butt for every seat. My car isn't a track beast, it's a weekend GT cruiser and mountain road carver. The combination of AWD, RWS, and an open cabriolet top makes for a different kind of fun. It's all good.
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#59
Two Words:
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On e thing I disagree with in nicks video. You can CERTAINLY hang the rear out in a 4s... That being said, I never spun my 4S. Ive spun the 2. But WOT acceleration, the back end gets squirrely and its AWESOME.
Ill never understand drifting.
Do
Nuts
On e thing I disagree with in nicks video. You can CERTAINLY hang the rear out in a 4s... That being said, I never spun my 4S. Ive spun the 2. But WOT acceleration, the back end gets squirrely and its AWESOME.
Ill never understand drifting.
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