Beware this Carrera T?
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Beware this Carrera T?
I love the Carrera T. I'll likely end up with one when the right spec hits the market. Because of that I do a search for new-to-market Ts every day. This one popped up in my search, and while not a car that meets my requirements, seemed like an AMAZING spec. And the price was too good to be true. Then I took a look at the Carfax and to me it is a huge red flag despite showing no accident history.
July 2018 the car is sold in Florida. Accessories installed. Looks like GT3 Touring lip and clear side markers.
May 2019 the car is serviced and only has 475 miles.
June 2019 the car shows up for sale at Mark Motors in Texas. OK. Maybe owner traded it in on a GT3 or the like.
July 2019 the car shows as being sold at auction. Ruh-roh. Red flag #1.
September 2019 the car shows as being sold at auction (again) to a dealer. Red flag #2.
Late September 2019 the car shows up at a Chevy dealership as being serviced at 600 miles. Red flag #3.
Early October 2019 the car shows up as being serviced at the same Chevy dealership with 1,000 miles. Red flag #4.
Mid October 2019 the car shows up at a different Chevy dealership as being serviced at 1,400 miles. Red flag #5.
What do you think the story is with this car?
https://www.stingraybartow.com/Vehic...-FL/3524081273
Price:$122,445.00
Exterior:Guards Red
Interior: Standard Interior in Black
BASE911 Carrera T
20" Carrera S Wheels
Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB)
Rear Axle Steering
7-speed Manual Transmission
Fire Extinguisher
Porsche Entry & Drive
GT Sport Steering Wheel and Manual Gear Lever in Alcantara®
Guards Red
Full Bucket Seats with Rear Seat Deleted
Voice Control
Chrono Package with Porsche Track Precision App
Standard Interior in Black with Sport-Tex Seat Centers
Seat belts in Guards Red
July 2018 the car is sold in Florida. Accessories installed. Looks like GT3 Touring lip and clear side markers.
May 2019 the car is serviced and only has 475 miles.
June 2019 the car shows up for sale at Mark Motors in Texas. OK. Maybe owner traded it in on a GT3 or the like.
July 2019 the car shows as being sold at auction. Ruh-roh. Red flag #1.
September 2019 the car shows as being sold at auction (again) to a dealer. Red flag #2.
Late September 2019 the car shows up at a Chevy dealership as being serviced at 600 miles. Red flag #3.
Early October 2019 the car shows up as being serviced at the same Chevy dealership with 1,000 miles. Red flag #4.
Mid October 2019 the car shows up at a different Chevy dealership as being serviced at 1,400 miles. Red flag #5.
What do you think the story is with this car?
https://www.stingraybartow.com/Vehic...-FL/3524081273
Price:$122,445.00
Exterior:Guards Red
Interior: Standard Interior in Black
BASE911 Carrera T
20" Carrera S Wheels
Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB)
Rear Axle Steering
7-speed Manual Transmission
Fire Extinguisher
Porsche Entry & Drive
GT Sport Steering Wheel and Manual Gear Lever in Alcantara®
Guards Red
Full Bucket Seats with Rear Seat Deleted
Voice Control
Chrono Package with Porsche Track Precision App
Standard Interior in Black with Sport-Tex Seat Centers
Seat belts in Guards Red
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If a PPI was good I don't see any reason why it would not a good car for someone looking to get a T, and probably for less than what they are asking. And it is still under factory warranty.
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Mark Motors is a dealer west of San Antonio and I noticed that they have a lot of specialty car and high end cars so they may have wanted this on their lot to gauge the market.
First owner only drove it 475 miles in 10 months (maybe why owner sold it) and service is probably at time of trade. Normal.
The Chevy dealer could be a standard check for new cars on lot and for a potential buyer having it checked out.
so does the car have the notorious valve tick or was there a money shift but not too severe so potential buyers backed out after DME reading? I let Rennlist speculate.
But this car have spent more miles on back of trailer then driving miles.
Bartow is half way between Orlando and Tampa. I wonder what the auction prices were.
First owner only drove it 475 miles in 10 months (maybe why owner sold it) and service is probably at time of trade. Normal.
The Chevy dealer could be a standard check for new cars on lot and for a potential buyer having it checked out.
so does the car have the notorious valve tick or was there a money shift but not too severe so potential buyers backed out after DME reading? I let Rennlist speculate.
But this car have spent more miles on back of trailer then driving miles.
Bartow is half way between Orlando and Tampa. I wonder what the auction prices were.
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probably bought it and didn't like the bucket seats. dealers thinking they could flip it for a quick profit and probably overpaid, the only downside i see is that it's not at a porsche dealer to CPO it.
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That is an excellent point. Forgot all about the DME. Hmmm.
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Likely the same car - Manheim shows a 2018 red Carrera T being sold on 9/4/19 at the San Antonio auction for $99,000 with 526 miles.
Date Price Odo (mi) Cond Eng/T Ext Color Type Region Auction
10/9/19$80,00022,2194.16GT/7- -RegularSoutheastAtlanta
9/4/19$99,000526- -6CY/MRedRegularSouthwestSan Antonio
8/16/19$96,6004235.06GT/7BlackRegularNortheastPennsylvania
7/10/19$94,0003805.06G/7GrayRegularSoutheastPalm Beach
12/20/18$88,000*1,6635.06GT/7YellowRegularSoutheastPalm Beach
10/19/18$107,0007255.06GT/7WhiteRegularNortheastPennsylvania
10/18/18$98,0004,0054.56GT/ABlackLeaseWest CoastRiverside
Date Price Odo (mi) Cond Eng/T Ext Color Type Region Auction
10/9/19$80,00022,2194.16GT/7- -RegularSoutheastAtlanta
9/4/19$99,000526- -6CY/MRedRegularSouthwestSan Antonio
8/16/19$96,6004235.06GT/7BlackRegularNortheastPennsylvania
7/10/19$94,0003805.06G/7GrayRegularSoutheastPalm Beach
12/20/18$88,000*1,6635.06GT/7YellowRegularSoutheastPalm Beach
10/19/18$107,0007255.06GT/7WhiteRegularNortheastPennsylvania
10/18/18$98,0004,0054.56GT/ABlackLeaseWest CoastRiverside
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Likely the same car - Manheim shows a 2018 red Carrera T being sold on 9/4/19 at the San Antonio auction for $99,000 with 526 miles.
Date Price Odo (mi) Cond Eng/T Ext Color Type Region Auction
10/9/19$80,00022,2194.16GT/7- -RegularSoutheastAtlanta
9/4/19$99,000526- -6CY/MRedRegularSouthwestSan Antonio
8/16/19$96,6004235.06GT/7BlackRegularNortheastPennsylvania
7/10/19$94,0003805.06G/7GrayRegularSoutheastPalm Beach
12/20/18$88,000*1,6635.06GT/7YellowRegularSoutheastPalm Beach
10/19/18$107,0007255.06GT/7WhiteRegularNortheastPennsylvania
10/18/18$98,0004,0054.56GT/ABlackLeaseWest CoastRiverside
Date Price Odo (mi) Cond Eng/T Ext Color Type Region Auction
10/9/19$80,00022,2194.16GT/7- -RegularSoutheastAtlanta
9/4/19$99,000526- -6CY/MRedRegularSouthwestSan Antonio
8/16/19$96,6004235.06GT/7BlackRegularNortheastPennsylvania
7/10/19$94,0003805.06G/7GrayRegularSoutheastPalm Beach
12/20/18$88,000*1,6635.06GT/7YellowRegularSoutheastPalm Beach
10/19/18$107,0007255.06GT/7WhiteRegularNortheastPennsylvania
10/18/18$98,0004,0054.56GT/ABlackLeaseWest CoastRiverside
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Some cars to keep an eye for are these cars that most likely came through the Porsche Experience Center. Yellow and Red. You can tell they went through the Porsche Experience Center or at least PCNA because they were not registered until several thousand miles were put on them and I believe most of the cars for there they order in red or yellow.
https://www.porschewarrington.com/ce...ffea27135a.htm
https://www.porscheatlantaperimeter....aa2a93ks104130
https://www.porschewestbroward.com/d...0js106044.html
https://www.porschewarrington.com/ce...ffea27135a.htm
https://www.porscheatlantaperimeter....aa2a93ks104130
https://www.porschewestbroward.com/d...0js106044.html
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Some cars to keep an eye for are these cars that most likely came through the Porsche Experience Center. Yellow and Red. You can tell they went through the Porsche Experience Center or at least PCNA because they were not registered until several thousand miles were put on them and I believe most of the cars for there they order in red or yellow.
https://www.porschewarrington.com/ce...ffea27135a.htm
https://www.porscheatlantaperimeter....aa2a93ks104130
https://www.porschewestbroward.com/d...0js106044.html
https://www.porschewarrington.com/ce...ffea27135a.htm
https://www.porscheatlantaperimeter....aa2a93ks104130
https://www.porschewestbroward.com/d...0js106044.html
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Some cars to keep an eye for are these cars that most likely came through the Porsche Experience Center. Yellow and Red. You can tell they went through the Porsche Experience Center or at least PCNA because they were not registered until several thousand miles were put on them and I believe most of the cars for there they order in red or yellow.
https://www.porschewarrington.com/ce...ffea27135a.htm
https://www.porscheatlantaperimeter....aa2a93ks104130
https://www.porschewestbroward.com/d...0js106044.html
https://www.porschewarrington.com/ce...ffea27135a.htm
https://www.porscheatlantaperimeter....aa2a93ks104130
https://www.porschewestbroward.com/d...0js106044.html
Not that the PEC cars can't be red or yellow. But I'm pretty sure the driving schools car are only two colors.
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I want to say yellow and red are the Porsche driving school cars rather than the Porsche Experience center cars. When I was at PEC Atl in July the cars were all colors. There were two Carrera Ts in use the day I went; the white one I was in and a black one.
Not that the PEC cars can't be red or yellow. But I'm pretty sure the driving schools car are only two colors.
Not that the PEC cars can't be red or yellow. But I'm pretty sure the driving schools car are only two colors.
They do the same thing at their driving school in Alabama. They seem to pick a couple colors for each model.
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I love the Carrera T. I'll likely end up with one when the right spec hits the market. Because of that I do a search for new-to-market Ts every day. This one popped up in my search, and while not a car that meets my requirements, seemed like an AMAZING spec. And the price was too good to be true. Then I took a look at the Carfax and to me it is a huge red flag despite showing no accident history.
July 2018 the car is sold in Florida. Accessories installed. Looks like GT3 Touring lip and clear side markers.
May 2019 the car is serviced and only has 475 miles.
June 2019 the car shows up for sale at Mark Motors in Texas. OK. Maybe owner traded it in on a GT3 or the like.
July 2019 the car shows as being sold at auction. Ruh-roh. Red flag #1.
September 2019 the car shows as being sold at auction (again) to a dealer. Red flag #2.
Late September 2019 the car shows up at a Chevy dealership as being serviced at 600 miles. Red flag #3.
Early October 2019 the car shows up as being serviced at the same Chevy dealership with 1,000 miles. Red flag #4.
Mid October 2019 the car shows up at a different Chevy dealership as being serviced at 1,400 miles. Red flag #5.
What do you think the story is with this car?
https://www.stingraybartow.com/Vehic...-FL/3524081273
Price:$122,445.00
Exterior:Guards Red
Interior: Standard Interior in Black
BASE911 Carrera T
20" Carrera S Wheels
Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB)
Rear Axle Steering
7-speed Manual Transmission
Fire Extinguisher
Porsche Entry & Drive
GT Sport Steering Wheel and Manual Gear Lever in Alcantara®
Guards Red
Full Bucket Seats with Rear Seat Deleted
Voice Control
Chrono Package with Porsche Track Precision App
Standard Interior in Black with Sport-Tex Seat Centers
Seat belts in Guards Red
July 2018 the car is sold in Florida. Accessories installed. Looks like GT3 Touring lip and clear side markers.
May 2019 the car is serviced and only has 475 miles.
June 2019 the car shows up for sale at Mark Motors in Texas. OK. Maybe owner traded it in on a GT3 or the like.
July 2019 the car shows as being sold at auction. Ruh-roh. Red flag #1.
September 2019 the car shows as being sold at auction (again) to a dealer. Red flag #2.
Late September 2019 the car shows up at a Chevy dealership as being serviced at 600 miles. Red flag #3.
Early October 2019 the car shows up as being serviced at the same Chevy dealership with 1,000 miles. Red flag #4.
Mid October 2019 the car shows up at a different Chevy dealership as being serviced at 1,400 miles. Red flag #5.
What do you think the story is with this car?
https://www.stingraybartow.com/Vehic...-FL/3524081273
Price:$122,445.00
Exterior:Guards Red
Interior: Standard Interior in Black
BASE911 Carrera T
20" Carrera S Wheels
Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB)
Rear Axle Steering
7-speed Manual Transmission
Fire Extinguisher
Porsche Entry & Drive
GT Sport Steering Wheel and Manual Gear Lever in Alcantara®
Guards Red
Full Bucket Seats with Rear Seat Deleted
Voice Control
Chrono Package with Porsche Track Precision App
Standard Interior in Black with Sport-Tex Seat Centers
Seat belts in Guards Red
